lawdogg
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Official CU Head Coach Search Thread - Primetime
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So be it. The situation here now would set up Grimes to fail, and then we will be right back where we are now in another 3-4 years wondering why we can‘t manage to hire a decent head coach. If Grimes is smart, he will interview and not accept the job if offered.
Disagree. If the hurdles at CU are too much for Grimes to overcome, they are too much for pretty much anyone.
It’s an argument that can’t be settled, so we will have to agree to disagree.
I agree with this take when it comes to guys like Walters, Riley and maybe a few other young up and comers, but I'm just curious why you think this specifically about Grimes?
He and I seem to be on the same page with what CU needs at this time.
We may have arrived at the same place in different ways (I don't know), but here's the basis on why I don't like some objectively good candidates and like some who may be less flashy. It's about the reality of CU as I see it.
The next HC needs to be someone established and with enough gravitas that he draws more water than Rick or Phil.
Things won't change and things won't get fixed if the new HC isn't swinging the biggest dick in the room and/or doesn't have the type of character/ values/ track record which makes him popular with the faculty.
I am of the belief that our situation is such that we require somebody who has succeeded as head coach previously. Somebody who has the leverage and industry respect to demand and get certain concessions from CU and get them in writing. If Grimes is hired, he will have the same constraints that every coach since Barnett has had and he won’t have the ability do overcome those restrictions. There are institutional retardations here that can only be overcome by the force of personality that comes from a person who has first hand experience in running a successful program. Grimes has seen what a good program does, but he doesn’t have the ability to force the changes that would be needed here.
Does Linkedin have a filter for that? Asking for me.
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So your realistic targets who fit the criteria would be?
I think Bronco Mendenhall is a respected coach in the industry, but I don't think he has any kind of gravitas to walk into CU and tell RG and PD what's what. I think Tom Herman, Matt Rhule and Deion Sanders are those guys, none of which I believe are seriously considering CU. I just don't view Grimes as some inexperienced, flash in the pan coordinator who is still building his reputation and biding his time. He is a physically imposing man with a bit of knowledge of CU, but has spent time and been successful in many different capacities at Auburn, LSU, BYU, and now Baylor.
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I disagree on Mendenhall. He has 17 years of respectable HC experience. He would have a lot more pull than Grimes for example
Bronco
Herman
Grimes
you pick the order but I want one of these three
Herman
Grimes
you pick the order but I want one of these three
talk about blasts from the past--- if harsin really were in the mix we could end up with kiesau and brad bedell too.
i agree with nik on picking someone who commands immediate respect. mm was the right kind of hire at the time because he could plug the holes of a sinking ship. i'd like to get a version of that who recruits better and has better upside and that probably means someone with a lot of relevant hc experience... not some guy who needs on the job learning.
i agree with nik on picking someone who commands immediate respect. mm was the right kind of hire at the time because he could plug the holes of a sinking ship. i'd like to get a version of that who recruits better and has better upside and that probably means someone with a lot of relevant hc experience... not some guy who needs on the job learning.
Gundy could win a title at Auburn
I don't think anyone can convince me a first-time head coach can't succeed at CU. Would be the most CU thing ever to cut the talent pool in half for an arbitrary reason. Find the best possible coach. If that is an assistant that blows you away on everything, then hire them.
Herman and Mendenhall. Ive been pretty consistent in that.
It’s not that a first time head coach can’t succeed at CU. It’s that a first time head coach can’t succeed at CU currently. Now is not the time to be getting somebody in here who will be learning on the job. Grimes walks into Phil’s office and tells him he needs more liberal transfer rules, Phil tells him he will take it under advisement. Mendenhall doesn’t need to go into Phil’s office because he’s already negotiated what he needs when he agreed to come here in the first place. Nothing against Grimes as a coach. He just hasn’t gotten to that place where he can get stuff like that done.
Why wouldn’t Grimes negotiate the same things that Mendenhall supposedly would?
If we are to believe the stories that Sark wasn’t able to get those kind of concessions, it would stand to reason that Grimes, who doesn’t have the kind of pull that Sark has, wouldn’t either. It’s possible that Herman and Mendenhall wouldn’t be able to, either. The difference is that neither of those guys would take the job if they can’t get what they need, whereas Grimes probably would.
The Vegas Bowl sounds pretty damn good to me at the moment.
The rumor with Sark was always that RG was going to force staff members on him, not anything about transfer issues
Also that Saban had gotten in his ear with what he knew from his MT relationship and told him about broken promises on admissions, recruiting and program support, warning Sark off the job and convincing him he'd have much better opportunities if he spent 1 more year as Alabama OC.
I just find the idea that RG is going to hire Bronco Mendenhall (for example) and he’s going to walk in and start telling RG and PD what’s what a laughable assertion. He is a respected coach, but he is far from the swingin dick that you and Not Sure believe he would be. At least not to the point where he would have substantially more pull than a guy like Grimes.
Grimes is being talked about as a candidate for Auburn, a program that has National Championship expectations. To suggest that caliber of coach isn’t what CU needs and that he can navigate Auburn’s boosters, admin, fans and the SEC in general, but RG is just too tough for him to crack is ridiculous.
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I think this take that only someone with some sort of history as a HC at a P5 program can be assertive enough to get changes from the administration is wrong. In my experience, personality is way more important for someone who wants to make changes than reputation. Meaning that a relatively unknown coordinator who's a real pain in RG's and PD's asses and won't take no for an answer will get more done that a big name who won't fight for what he wants.
Frankly, a guy like Grimes is probably our ceiling on this hire. That's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just how deep in a hole we are at this point.
Auburn coaches have all the infrastructure to succeed. It's more about being someone who will allow boosters to have considerable influence on your recruiting and program. They thrive, at least for a bit, with coaches who are willing to not be in charge.
CU is the opposite situation. When our HC isn't the biggest figure on campus, the meddling (and the quiet acceptance of neglect) has been to the severe detriment of the program. We need a HC who says "This is how I do things and what I need" and will define how CU operates for football. To the point where he would be a major voice in picking the next AD if that occurs.
Yes, and a guy who has spent his entire HC career at places with similar issues as CU is all of the sudden going to come in and demand changes? If anything, hiring BM would signal that they want a coach who is experienced in doing well with those restrictions in place. Hiring a guy like Grimes would signal that they are ready to put their big boy pants on and do what’s necessary.
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