I doubt MSU goes for him. They’ll need to make a sexy pick
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Official Michigan State/Mel Tucker Hate Thread
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darth-horax
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I"m so glad we dont' have him here anymnore.
If he did this while coaching here that would have killed hte program even further!
If he did this while coaching here that would have killed hte program even further!
Except they were referring to protecting actual herds of buffalo….
I find it ironic/a great book end that Tugger's last full year coaching MSU they finished 5-7
Remembering back to when Tucker was hired by MSU, I want to say he was way down the list as MSU was getting turned down by everyone. That obviously had a lot to do with Nassar and still fresh in everyone's mind, but I assume MSU and its fans are going to find that this is still going to be the case.
Plus, the absolute best they can ever hope for is being viewed as the 4th best program in the B1G. There’s only one CP and they ain’t getting him. I don’t even think Urban Meyer or Chris Petersen could vault them over OSU, Michigan or Penn St. (
) consistently.
Which is why I think these super conferences are really dumb and suicide to a degree. Recruits will go to the consistent conf winner and everyone else will fight for the scrapsPlus, the absolute best they can ever hope for is being viewed as the 4th best program in the B1G. There’s only one CP and they ain’t getting him. I don’t even think Urban Meyer or Chris Petersen could vault them over OSU, Michigan or Penn St. (
Narduzzi makes sense and would be a good fit for both the School and coach. MSU will swing for the fences but miss.Plus, the absolute best they can ever hope for is being viewed as the 4th best program in the B1G. There’s only one CP and they ain’t getting him. I don’t even think Urban Meyer or Chris Petersen could vault them over OSU, Michigan or Penn St. (
Sean Lewis is going to be a top 3 candidate for most B1G openings, IMO.
I really think he is going to be the next big HC in the near future. He has it
I think MSU qualifies as major program. He’s not getting Alabama or Ohio State (or another comparable program) if Saban and/Day retire/move on.
CitizenKane
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Predators don't stop doing what they do, guy is a predator.
CitizenKane
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In the end they'll pay him regardless of breach. Guaranteed. Now why would a program do that when they have a great contract provision saying the don't have to? No, it isn't about attracting future coaches.
Hey, it ain’t their money.
at Ishbia. Way to blow a hundred mil a-hole.
Victim says it wasn't her, which leaves 2 parties. MSU and Tucker. While neither of them has credibility worth a damn, it's gotta be MSU.
And next year the conference adds U$C and UW. 4th might be a dream for them.Plus, the absolute best they can ever hope for is being viewed as the 4th best program in the B1G. There’s only one CP and they ain’t getting him. I don’t even think Urban Meyer or Chris Petersen could vault them over OSU, Michigan or Penn St. (
I'd look at MSU, with a plan not to pay the contract. The people who think he is going to get his money are ignoring the nature of what he did. This isn't Dr. Phil and CU who will just cower down and pay up.
And no, not paying his isn't going to dissuade candidates from wanting the job. Most will look at it as say thanks for being stupid and opening up the position. I won't be stupid so don't have to worry about it. This isn't like trying to not pay somebody for pushing a photographer.
Could though also be another party who reported it. Is there another woman who he treated badly that doesn't want to be the center of attention but who wants to see him suffer. Guys like him often leave a trail of unhappy victims. Is there somebody on the football or AD staff who he denied a promotion or he made look bad.
He did the ultimate FAFO and when you do that it leaves a lot of opportunity for people to get back.
Trial lawyers have different theories about where the case is won. Some think it's in closing arguments, some think it's in openings, some think it's on cross-examination. I once saw a case won in jury selection.
When I was still a law student and Times Square was still Times Square (before Giuliani and Disney and chain restaurants), I was an intern at Legal Aid in Manhattan. I sat on a robbery trial. The allegations were that our client robbed a man in the Port Authority bathroom ("Port Authority" here means the massive bus station on 42nd and 8th). The defense was that it was not a robbery, that the complainant followed our god-fearing young man from Brooklyn into the bathroom and asked if he could suck his dick. Our client politely demurred. When the complainant tried to touch his dick, he beat the sh*t out of him.
The defense lawyer was an older dude who looked like Santa Claus and had been an NYPD officer for 20 years. I don't think he'd ever seen the inside of a law book. During jury selection, he asked one question of each panel: "Would you ever go in the bathroom at the Port Authority?" Answers: "Hell no." "I'd just hold it." "No f*cking way." Acquittal.
Any suit with these Tugger allegations as the central factual issue would be dealt with much the same. "Would you allow yourself to be sexually harassed over the phone, or would you just hang up."
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speaking out of my arse as an ex lawyer who has never done any criminal law, wouldn't it be likely that the prosecution will seek in pretrial motions to limit the scope of the cross x by the defense to avoid victim shaming?
why didn't you just hang up? is akin to why didn't you fight back?...
Are you serious? Any other provision of the Bill of Rights you want excised, or will the confrontation clause be enough? JFC
Michigan was a big Klan state. There are still a lot of people there with those attitudes.
I don't know how much I would be willing to risk putting a large, wealthy Black man (married as well) accused of sexual harassment of a white woman (and prior rape victim) in the hands of a jury from that state.
If they could get the trial moved to a place with a jury pool that is largely Black the odds would be better. If the trial stays in East Lansing (6.8% Black) or they get a change in venue and the judge sends it a predominantly white rural county it could be over before it starts.
i love the defense lawyer moral outrage! roosters marching around the yard...
that is why i prefaced my q with the caveat, counselor. also, don't your clients have enough damn constitutional rights already? they are all guilty or they wouldn't be arrested and charged.
i kid. i kid.
They have a constitutional right to competent representation but end up with NYC? So much for rights.i love the defense lawyer moral outrage! roosters marching around the yard...
that is why i prefaced my q with the caveat, counselor. also, don't your clients have enough damn constitutional rights already? they are all guilty or they wouldn't be arrested and charged.
i kid. i kid.
I kid, I kid.
Which could easily be answered by explaining that a) Taylor's employment at MSU was dependent on Tucker and b) freezing up is a common response to sexual assault and harassment. But as we all know, human beings don't like to think very hard, and tend to go with the bluntest argument and not the more nuanced.
Plus slip in a little bit of "If this man in his position did this to your wife or daughter would you want understand it if she were shocked and froze up at the time?"
In all honesty, complaints about how sexual assault and harassment are treated in the justice system are valid. Lots of rules have been put in place in an attempt to address it. See Fed. R. Evid. 412 and 413. The problem, however, was never with rules of evidence, but with our cultural embrace of misogyny. That hasn't really changed. I would be comfortable advising Tugger to try any case arising from the facts as they've been reported. You can all go on about victim shaming, but jury trials are where the rubber meets the road . . . and it's still the women getting run over.
Seems to me that both parties would be pretty motivated to settle and avoid a trial. I’m not sure how defendable MSU’s morality clause is but the language is in his contract. It doesn’t even have to be a sexual assault case. Just that he performed an act that embarrassed the university. And he admitted it.
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