Can’t really dispute that for army but Air Force and navy have both been decent. They can compete in a conference like that.
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Official realignment thread - SEC formally invites OU and Texas to join the conference in 2025
Oregon wasn’t even supposed to be in the conference championship game. They lost a ton of starters to opt outs due to covid and struggled all year. They had a good game against usc and that fiesta bowl was always going to be a disaster. And by the way I never said ISU was a joke this year, I said historically they have been bad, which is a fact. Even as a Iowa supporter I respect what that program does and where they are right now. I even posted a month or so back about how they beat their record for season ticket sales and how awesome it was to watch from far away. That doesn’t change anything about the long term viability of that program.K. Was that Oregon’s excuse for the Bowl Game blow out against, wait for it, Iowa State? Iowa State is a joke, remember? Everyone is saying it.
Iowa State 34-17 Oregon (Jan 2, 2021) Final Score - ESPN
Game summary of the Iowa State Cyclones vs. Oregon Ducks NCAAF game, final score 34-17, from January 2, 2021 on ESPN.www.espn.com
hawg1
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Campbell is good. You hit on the key point. Is the success he has built sustainable, especially post his departure? I suspect they would get a decent coach.
We talk about not wanting to follow saban at Alabama but who in their right mind would want to follow Campbell at Iowa state? That seems like an awful opportunity.
Campbell is a once in a lifetime coach for isu.
Reversion to mean is *always* more likely than a long term sustained change - and that's not just true in football.
AFA already said no to the Big 12 once despite the obvious increase in money.
This would be a very different big 12 though. You are adding 3 teams they already play, one they used to play and a bunch of G5 like teams
Isn’t that exactly the point; that that is typical P12 - step on your dick when it matters. Everyone around here dismisses out of hand that a New Big XII wouldn’t compete ferociously with the current P12. That’s a fools errand.
We can talk all we want about awesome P12 teams were in the 20s or 90s or wherever. The Big XII keeps cycling through who is good, but there is always someone - Baylor, TCU, Houston, UCF, Cincy, whatever. They would compete with the Big XII.
How does this conference earn money.... and they are going to split it up 16 ways?
Think big: Here is one way to save the Big 12
For the Big 12 to grow into a vibrant new league for the next generation, the league’s leaders need to resist all of the quick-trigger leadership instincts.currently.att.yahoo.com
Thamel says Big 12 could decide to just go big and go to 16.
West: SDSU, BYU, Boise, and csu
Midwest: KU, KSU, OSU, and ISU
Texas: TT, TCU, BU, and Houston
East: UCF, USF, Cincy, and WVU
My assumpation is that csu goes to balance out BSU's weaker research tier status. Big 12 would kneecap the AAC & MWC and be clearly the 5th best conference.
I used to think that csu could threaten CU's status as being the lone P5 school in CO but that ship sailed once OU & UT announced their SEC move. The only way csu goes P5 is if they join the P12 which isn't happening.
Think Campbell could end up at Nebraska? I don't think Campbell is long for ISU given his enormous contract and the pending downgrade of the media rights contract for the Big 12.
The recruiting competition for those kids from ISU's region is pretty brutal. Not only does ISU have to worry about recruiting against B1G West schools but also the Dakota schools and UNI in the region. For a kid from that region, winning a FCS national championship with a MVFC team is something more likely than ISU winning a Big 12 title. Heck, rival Iowa could nab Campbell when Frentz decides it's time to retire.
I think it’s USC, Michigan or the NFL for him.
hawg1
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Maybe a groomed assistant?
hawg1
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tOSU could be in play if Day bolts.
True, just don’t see him leaving
hawg1
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Hard to imagine why. He may be the kind of guy though who wants to test his O skills at the next level.
CO & UT have about 9M residents combined. If you look at the Mormons as one region, that goes as far northwest as Boise and as far south as Mesa in AZ which is part of the PHX area. AZ & ID would mean nearly another 10M people and SD & Orange County would be an extra 6M to 7M ish people. Even if not everyone is going to watch the expanded Big 12 in that case, you can't ignore an increase of 25M people to a conference's media population.
Central Florida with both UCF & USF brings about 8M residents. WVU might not appear to have many people in that state but their region does cover Pittsburgh and a little of the DC-Baltimore-Philly region with their alumni bases. I imagine they have some people in Ohio and adding Cinncinnati would be good for a rivalry game. Central FL and Cincy would be an addition of 10M people to the Big 12's media population.
Houston is the fourth largest city in the US but has about 1M less than DFW. Having a presence in Houston would be better than nothing even if the Big 12 will be option B after the SEC.
Add them all up and you have up to 42M potential new viewers. That's more than California and would at least double what the Big 12 currently has. That is while you are ignoring the rest of the LA area outside of Orange County in CA.
The reality is that all of those new schools will not be able to replace OU & UT when you consider everything but there is a possibility the loss of media value isn't as great as feared for the Big 12 if the Big 12 goes to 16 in that case. There might be an outside chance of the Big 12 retaining its P5 status.
Much better jobs than Nebraska for sure.
Great idea. When do those teams play each other?
hawg1
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They might take a contingency play from
A whale especially if you suggest your line.
Much better than an unkempt one.
I do agree you can create a very solid athletic conference out of the B12, AAC and MWC. Be a very nice feeder conference for P12 future expansion the way the old Big East was for the ACC.Think big: Here is one way to save the Big 12
For the Big 12 to grow into a vibrant new league for the next generation, the league’s leaders need to resist all of the quick-trigger leadership instincts.
Thamel says Big 12 could decide to just go big and go to 16.
West: SDSU, BYU, Boise, and csu
Midwest: KU, KSU, OSU, and ISU
Texas: TT, TCU, BU, and Houston
East: UCF, USF, Cincy, and WVU
My assumpation is that csu goes to balance out BSU's weaker research tier status. Big 12 would kneecap the AAC & MWC and be clearly the 5th best conference.
I used to think that csu could threaten CU's status as being the lone P5 school in CO but that ship sailed once OU & UT announced their SEC move. The only way csu goes P5 is if they join the P12 which isn't happening.
Sometimes Facts are hard for AllbuffsK. Was that Oregon’s excuse for the Bowl Game blow out against, wait for it, Iowa State? Iowa State is a joke, remember? Everyone is saying it.
Iowa State 34-17 Oregon (Jan 2, 2021) Final Score - ESPN
Game summary of the Iowa State Cyclones vs. Oregon Ducks NCAAF game, final score 34-17, from January 2, 2021 on ESPN.
Looking forward to UCF joining the PAC in maybe 2038!
CSU likely has more Colorado in state residents attend than attend CU. Of those alums most probably remain in Colorado after graduating. So in theory they should command audience in the Denver TV market.
Last fall, CSU welcomed more than 32,000 students, 69 percent of whom are Colorado residents
About CSU < Colorado State University
34,975 students enrolled fall 2020 Decrease from 35,528 in fall 2019. 59.7% were in state.
Most of them don't give a rats ass about csu Foosball.CSU likely has more Colorado in state residents attend than attend CU. Of those alums most probably remain in Colorado after graduating. So in theory they should command audience in the Denver TV market.
Last fall, CSU welcomed more than 32,000 students, 69 percent of whom are Colorado residents
About CSU < Colorado State University
catalog.colostate.edu
34,975 students enrolled fall 2020 Decrease from 35,528 in fall 2019. 59.7% were in state.
241Volcanos
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Didn’t Oregon have like 4 all conf future NFers sit out the season? In a non covid year Ducks probably make playoff in 2020 after winning Rose Bowl in 2019. Compared to ISU? Really?K. Was that Oregon’s excuse for the Bowl Game blow out against, wait for it, Iowa State? Iowa State is a joke, remember? Everyone is saying it.
Iowa State 34-17 Oregon (Jan 2, 2021) Final Score - ESPN
Game summary of the Iowa State Cyclones vs. Oregon Ducks NCAAF game, final score 34-17, from January 2, 2021 on ESPN.
