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Pac-12 expansion is now inevitable

sackman said:
I'm acting like the guy has no say in the matter and should keep his trap shut. Who died and made him Big 12 commissioner?
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He's the guy who controls the purse strings on public funding to UT and TTU while also having some pull in the investigation into Baylor's coverup.

Since he also represents a constituency that includes Texas's 3rd largest public university in UH, he has every reason to make a strong play toward enhancing the status of that school.
 
It wouldn't surprize me if the $ec made a move before the b12 does.

They could look at swiping FlaSt and Clemson (yeah, huge buyout numbers, but the $ec could probably float the money to help out).

Or, they could look to the west and pull Tex/OU. The $ec is about the only conference who could withstand the burnt orange ego.
 
BehindEnemyLines said:
It wouldn't surprize me if the $ec made a move before the b12 does.

They could look at swiping FlaSt and Clemson (yeah, huge buyout numbers, but the $ec could probably float the money to help out).

Or, they could look to the west and pull Tex/OU. The $ec is about the only conference who could withstand the burnt orange ego.
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I imagine FSU and Clemson like being in the ACC for the same reason UT and OK like being in the B12. You have a much easier path to a conf championship and one of the four playoff spots.
 
I never have understood all the love for East Carolina. The State of North Carolina has 4 P5 programs already - another one isn't a good idea.
 
Highlander said:
I never have understood all the love for East Carolina. The State of North Carolina has 4 P5 programs already - another one isn't a good idea.
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I think ECU sees itself as a P5 program in all but official status. Didn't they pull a reasonably big upset recently? I think it was them and I remember reading something afterwards that left me thinking their boosters had delusions grandeure.
 
Jens1893 said:
I think ECU sees itself as a P5 program in all but official status. Didn't they pull a reasonably big upset recently? I think it was them and I remember reading something afterwards that left me thinking their boosters had delusions grandeure.
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They're an average AAC program, but they have delusions. They fired Ruffin McNeil a year after he won 26 games in 3 years.
 
Something else to consider about expansion candidates within the AAC... Each school has a 2 year notification clause about leaving the AAC and $10mm buyout. Not saying the money would be that big of an obstacle, but if the Big 12 is looking for a quicker expansion than this time in 2018, they may need to look elsewhere. This is where CSU might have a bit of an advantage, as the MWC only requires a 1 year notification and $5m buyout.
 
cmgoods said:
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UH is moving up in the world. 10 years ago, they were more or less an oversized CU Denver. They've been working really hard to improve their campus and shed the commuter school image. It's also helping that the area around the school is starting to gentrify and redevelop.
 
One individual called or tweeted a sports radio station suggesting that if/when the b12 expands it should be renamed. He threw out the idea of the "Southwestern United Conference" .... or

SUC

.
 
J.R. Ewing said:
UH is moving up in the world. 10 years ago, they were more or less an oversized CU Denver. They've been working really hard to improve their campus and shed the commuter school image. It's also helping that the area around the school is starting to gentrify and redevelop.
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Also shows you what a nicely timed run of on-field success and a home run coaching hire can do for your school and the public perception.
 
Jens1893 said:
Also shows you what a nicely timed run of on-field success and a home run coaching hire can do for your school and the public perception.
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They've made a string of great coaching hires in this era from Briles to Sumlin to Herman. In the 80s and 90s, they had a great program under Pardee and Jenkins. In between Jenkins and Briles, they were down for a while as they adjusted to NCAA penalties & scandal along with the collapse of the SWC. But I really think the current era is more like the norm for UH. A program you'll see appear in the Top 25 more seasons than not and that every now and then will win a conference title against the big boys.
 
TSchekler said:
It's literally happening before your eyes, and has been for years, and you refuse accept it. Very strange, tbh.
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Factors that are conspiring to kill you due to cancer or heart disease or a stroke is literally happening before your eyes, and has been for years. A slow march towards death is not something most people want to accept.

UT is a conference killer and a cancer. I totally get why Sackman wants to keep the P12 as it is.

If we want to cheer the pursuit of money, there's alway Wall Street.

The P12 is a perfectly fan friendly conference as it is. Greed leading to the need for UT to join the conference is about as enjoyable as your grandmother cashing an eminent domain check to tear down her house full of memories and replace it with a highway.

When it comes to P12 expansion, there's nothing wrong with being sentimental about the present while putting off the inevitability of the future as long as possible.
 
Just out of curiosity, can somebody explain exactly what is inevitable?

Is it PAC 12 expansion with UT and/or OU?

Is it PAC 12 expansion with some other schools?

Is it something else?

I think I've been pretty clear that scenario A isn't going to happen. They aren't interested. We can want UT and OU, but they don't want us. Non-starter.

I've also been clear as to why scenario B is not going to happen: it isn't worth it to the PAC 12. It would cost more than we would get in return. Again- non starter.

So that leaves scenario C, which is something nobody knows or can speculate about.

But, you know, it's (figuratively) happening before my very eyes. Apparently it's happening before all our eyes- literally.
 
Hey I have been for expanding into Texas for a while now but I do think the sky is falling part is a little bit of a stretch. It's not like the PAC doesn't have positive things going for it in terms of cash flow, they still own all of their rights, and their geographic footprint is where a majority of the growth is going to take place in the future. That definitely counts for something, it won't catch up to the big 10 and sec but that wasn't really expected.

Overall it's something to keep an eye on but not to freak out about at this moment.
 
Duff Man said:
The Pac-12 needs to be proactive, not just keeping an eye on the situation.
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But how? I would almost guarantee if Texas and Oklahoma would join the conference right now Scott would be all about it. Adding CSU and BYU wouldn't help at all so it's tough until we see what happens with the big 12. There are already rumors of this being a money grab before the conference breaks up and even rumors that this is just a way Texas can exit the conference. I am sure Scott knows what is going on but what he can do about it is the big question.
 
Duff Man said:
The Pac-12 needs to be proactive, not just keeping an eye on the situation.
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I think that right now the Pac-12 has to see what the Big 12 does. If, for example, they add 4 teams including Houston and this deal also eliminates the GoR provisions... well, that opens up the opportunity to make an offer that it would be hard to politically turn down: UT, TTU, TCU, UH. Would be hard for the Governor to not get behind 3 of the 4 largest public schools coming together along with the big program in DFW if the dominoes started to fall and we saw Kansas (B1G), Oklahoma (SEC) and Oklahoma State (SEC) all leave.

I fear that the only proactive moves available to the Pac-12 right now would be things like SDSU or UNLV which would be available anyway down the road if the dominoes don't fall the way we want them to.
 
Totally agree with that, that was a massive **** up on the presidents end but these are mostly prestigious academic institutions so you can see where they decision was made.
 
There is a middle ground between freaking out and saying other conferences expanding has no bearing on the future of the Pac-12.
 
Duff Man said:
There is a middle ground between freaking out and saying other conferences expanding has no bearing on the future of the Pac-12.
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He doesn't get it plain and simple. He doesn't get that if we stand pat that in 20 years we will be peers with the mwc.
 
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