best case option for CU is definitely some form of UT, OU, OSU, and ?? joining the P12. Out of the options, I'd really prefer UH over TTU, TCU, or any other texas based also-ran. Give me metro areas (**** bailor).
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Pac-12 expansion is now inevitable
- Thread starter Duff Man
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Dallas-Fort Worth isn't a metro area? News to me.
Well, TCU is in Ft Worth, so that's a metro area.
The first problem I see with Niks scenario is that I think UT and OU would have their pick of conferences. The SEC would be a better fit culturally, geographically, and financially for those two schools. The PAC 12 is only an option if all other options are off the board. OU and UT will have options.
The first problem I see with Niks scenario is that I think UT and OU would have their pick of conferences. The SEC would be a better fit culturally, geographically, and financially for those two schools. The PAC 12 is only an option if all other options are off the board. OU and UT will have options.
For the vast majority of its existence, the Red River Rivalry involved teams from different conferences.
As long as you can have 4 out of conference games (doesn't really matter how you get there, 12 game season - 8 conference games, 13-9, 14-10, etc), you can easily maintain one rivalry game outside your conference.
That math is what makes adding OU to the Pac alone almost impossible (assuming a 12 game season). They'd be OK with a 9 game conference schedule, if UT and OSU are in conference games. They'd be OK with having one of those games be out-of-conference, but only with an 8 game conference schedule. I don't think there's any configuration where you could get OU without at least one of UT or OSU.
As long as you can have 4 out of conference games (doesn't really matter how you get there, 12 game season - 8 conference games, 13-9, 14-10, etc), you can easily maintain one rivalry game outside your conference.
That math is what makes adding OU to the Pac alone almost impossible (assuming a 12 game season). They'd be OK with a 9 game conference schedule, if UT and OSU are in conference games. They'd be OK with having one of those games be out-of-conference, but only with an 8 game conference schedule. I don't think there's any configuration where you could get OU without at least one of UT or OSU.
Well, with the ACC Network announcement and extension of the GoR to 20 years ESPN has successfully fended off any poaching of ACC schools by the B1G. ESPN has now built a fence around their pet leagues and any additional expansion by the other leagues likely has to come at the expense of the B12 or from the G5...or only the G5 if the B12 extends their Grant of Rights as part of the expansion effort, though I can't imagine that Texas or OU would be willing to do that. I'm starting to think B12 expansion might be an attempt set the league up for for what it will ultimately look like when Texas and OU bail.
That's the conventional wisdom, but USC and Stanford have no issues with playing Notre Dame every year in addition to a 9-game conference schedule. They've been doing that for decades. There is no legitimate reason other than wanting home patsies on the schedule to rig things for an inflated record. That's something that is going away. UT would probably want to remember that the year it won the MNC they beat a damn good Ohio State team in the non-conference. Oklahoma always plays a tough non-conference opponent.
What I want is to see the 9-game schedule and then for some traditional rivalries to either be openers or Thanksgiving games (either at neutral sites or home/home).
Why not continue having South Carolina & Clemson play every year. Florida State & Florida. Georgia & Georgia Tech. Texas & Oklahoma (or aTm if UT & OU remain in the same conference). Colorado & Nebraska. Kansas & Missouri. Kentucky & Louisville. Penn State & Pitt. Utah & BYU. Lots of others. Border wars and in-state wars are a major part of the pageantry of college sports that draw huge fan interest on the local level while also making the best television when the teams are good that year.
As a CU fan, I can't think of a better setup for revenue and fan experience than a pod setup that includes a Texas Pod and also locks in an annual game against Nebraska. My dream:
3 games against the Mountain Pod (UA, ASU, Utah),
2 games against California Pod (UCLA, USC, Cal, Furd),
2 games against Northwest Pod (UO, OSU, UW, WSU),
2 games against Texas Pod (UT and 3 others from TX or OK/TX),
1 game against Nebraska (home in years when 2 Mountain pods games are on the road, away when 2 pod games are home)
2 games that float (probably one regional game like CSU, AFA, WYO, UNM and 1 national game against a P4).
Not everyone is going to agree with me. But, dammit, I defy anyone to say that their likelihood of buying season tickets and traveling to road games doesn't go up quite a bit in this scheduling scenario.
yes, but I don't like TCU, so there.
Darian3Hagan
'89 Player of the Year
I see a lot of losses on that schedule.
Come to think of it, no matter what happens, the Pac will have Cal locked down. Texas may have as many as 3 P5 conferences fishing in it, Florida and Georgia have 2 each and Ohio with 1.
You have a good point, but it still leaves out the 2nd statement: OU has to bring one of OSU or UT with them. One game can be out of conference, both can't be.
I too would like a setup like you lay out. Make it so.
BehindEnemyLines
beware the habu
Talk down here (seems to be unproven speculation or backroom rumors) is that there are a few unhappy teams in the 12pac.
Lots of banter about the big-can't-count conference inviting ASU/UA, and that because of current tv payouts, those 2 schools would seriously listen.
Most of the talking heads think that none of the current b12 schools are interested in a 12pac possibility primarily due to -- fan travel. Of course, these same personalities think BYU, Cinci, Houston, and USF are top candidates for their expansion.
It's like listening to a bi-polar commedian.
Lots of banter about the big-can't-count conference inviting ASU/UA, and that because of current tv payouts, those 2 schools would seriously listen.
Most of the talking heads think that none of the current b12 schools are interested in a 12pac possibility primarily due to -- fan travel. Of course, these same personalities think BYU, Cinci, Houston, and USF are top candidates for their expansion.
It's like listening to a bi-polar commedian.
I think OU and OSU stay together. I think this is what keeps the B1G scenario with OU from happening. SEC would take them as a pair with no reservations. Pac-12 can't say that since the presidents already voted against a Pac-14 through OU-OSU. The only way OSU gets to the Pac-12 is if both UT and OU want to join. In that scenario, UT & OU can pick any other 2 schools not named BYU or Baylor and it would get rubber stamped.
I'm not sure anyone knows the answer to this, but how close was that vote?
It was a vote among the Pac10 presidents; there are twelve now.
I'm pretty sure that CU & UU voted on that. It was a year after they joined.
No idea how close the vote was. Found a BDC article, but it didn't include anything on how close it was or how everyone voted. Also, it included a quote from OU's president that whatever OU and OSU do, they will do it together.
Governor of Texas chimes in
BehindEnemyLines
beware the habu
I think the ou-osu conference marriage isn't as happy as it used to be. When the 2010 migrations happened, they were definitely joined at the hip.
Now, there would be media, fan, and to a lesser extent, political cries to keep "bedlam", but it would accepted as a non-conference game.
Therein lies the crux for the boomers. Keeping bedlam and the RRR would mean 2 difficult ooc games. Tejass would probably be willing the step away from the RRR (see also, atm), but that game means a great deal in money, exposure, and recruiting for the Norman gang.
According to this article on ESPN, there wasn't actually a vote. It was simply shot down before it quite made it to that stage.
Texas Governor Jim Abbott: "Big 12 Expansion a non-starter without Houston"
http://www.barkingcarnival.com/2016...abbott-big-12-expansion-a-non-starter-without
You act like the guy is wrong. This expansion isn't about adding markets, Houston is the best team out there right now and deserves to be in compared to other teams.
I'm acting like the guy has no say in the matter and should keep his trap shut. Who died and made him Big 12 commissioner?
It's not about wanting them in our conference with the current state of college football, but being forward looking and determining what's best for the conference when the landscape changes and realignment does happen. What don't you understand about the inevitability of all of this?
I don't know about the culture at OU, but I'd imagine everyone in Austin feels the way they did in Boulder/Denver as far as being more aligned with the Pac schools
Well personally, I wish people in our state cared half as much as those in Texas. There are tons of opinion articles being published every minute and he gave his opinion to try and promote another college in his state to get a seat at the big boy table.
You just keep on saying it's inevitable. Maybe some day it will happen and you can say you called it.
You are clueless. If you don't believe the Texas politicians have power in these decisions (quite possibly the most power) you are crazy. It's exactly how UT and A&M ended up in the Big 12, instead of the Pac 10 and SEC respectively, and it's exactly how Baylor and TTU came along with them.
It's literally happening before your eyes, and has been for years, and you refuse accept it. Very strange, tbh.