If enough players sit out in protest and you have additional, inevitable COVID related injuries, it’ll be difficult to field teams. This will place great pressure on the economic system.
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Pac 12 players threaten opt-out of 2020 CFB season unless health and safety and other demands are met
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jizzrag85
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Easy. We’ll just replace them with white kids and they won’t have to go through all these injustices, problem solved. They can pay to educate the white kids off the backs of white kids. Doubtful anyone will care about that.
Then, there will be no more money. Problem solved!
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
So the answer to Scheck’s question is they won’t go anywhere because schools will be forced to cave. I find that highly unlikely, and it’s going to take a hell of a lot more than a dozen players to sign on before schools determine they can’t call the bluff.
I read everything you write, but you don't really respond to any direct questions. This is your response when I asked about the options of the players and when I asked you to elaborate, you just say I'm not reading what you're writing.
I just want you to directly answer what you mean by the bolded. If the schools say pound sand, what are the players going to do to stand up for themselves to gain participation into the market? Where is this participation going to happen? That's all I'm asking you.
Do you think that many kids will sit out?
Outside of the covid, which they were already told they keep their scholarship, how many have to sit out to give them the leverage they need?
And it's not going to happen because the elite players coming into college know they just have to get through 3 years before they're off to the league and there is no other avenue for them to achieve that goal.
jizzrag85
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It’s racist of you to insinuate people wouldn’t watch white people play football
Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
I agree that players have to organize and be willing to sit out to ultimately get what they want. Without both, there’s no bluff to call. There’s not even a bet.
If the players organize and refuse to play, the schools will be forced to have them back to keep the money flowing or bring on worse players, which will **** the TV deals. The players won’t play to get their demands met.
If the schools tell them to pound sand, the networks will not pay $30-50 million per season for rights deals. This has been my answer numerous times. Just because it doesn’t fit what you want me to say doesn’t make it a non-answer.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
And until then, there’s very little downside to schools outright ignoring this.
No argument here. I’m talking about what I think the players should do to get what’s theirs. The current system does not compensate football players sufficiently for their revenue contributions.
Quality of play is irrelevant. TV money, attendance, donations are all driven by the University Brand. G5 schools have weaker brands, fan support. With no University, you have the XFL. It folds.
hawg1
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Race is at the centerpiece of the P12 player initiative. Don’t ignore it. Discuss it. Find solutions.
This is legitimately hilarious.
The only way players get the leverage is with numbers. What do you think that number is?
If the schools cut anyone that sits out for a reason other than covid, how many players will continue to step up?
hawg1
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Quality of play is irrelevant? Why are G5 ratings (and revs) different than P5? It’s everything.
hawg1
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That’s racism. I call it.
The majority of D1 athletes are white.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
It’s not that I don’t see some inequity in the current system, but I do have a hard time feeling too sorry for players who know what they get by accepting a scholarship and then deciding they want more at the expense of thousands of other student athletes. No one forced them to play football and until a significant number of players agrees to sit out, they’re not going to get what they want. I don’t see that happening because as TScheck mentioned, they have nowhere else to go and playing under the current system is still their best option to get to the NFL or get a degree.
jizzrag85
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Racism isn’t funny.
Its the University brand that matters. Look no further than CU. Garbage football, ever-increasing TV revenues, donations from a large alumni base, affiliation with other prestigious schools, history and tradition.
There are plenty of non P5 schools who have great brands. Georgetown is extremely prestigious. No one cares about Hoyas football. That’s because they don’t have great players. No one on a national level or even outside of a narrow group here in the DMV cares about whether or not they win their games.
This XFL argument is a bad one. Secondary professional leagues lose traction because they’re not as good as the NFL or big time college. The player quality drives the deal.
If y’all really think that TV networks will pay $50 million a year for B1G football when you have sub standard play, then there’s nothing else to discuss.
That you’re advancing a racist argument and calling me racist is hilarious.
jizzrag85
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Your racist argument? Lol you’re the only one bringing up race, since a scholarship is akin to slave labor apparently. I think it’s very obvious what you are and I’ve known that for a long time. Have fun being a victim.
jizzrag85
Well-Known Member
What’s racism? Saying black people are why colleges make money? Insinuating there is no money without black people? Or saying okay, well if it’s so bad then just bring in white people and nobody has to go through
And there it is. I knew you were in there. Thanks for proving me right.
Ill agree to disagree since it’s dinner time. Boise State is a counter argument. Great football, lousy brand historically. Lousy revenue. Not surehow your theory explains that. Or Tennessee cramming 100k into that stadium after the garbage product they’ve put out. To me, the Univeristy brand is the driver of this marketplace. Very few players, maybe 50, like Trevor Lawrence, have built enough of a personal brand to capitalize on it within his three pre-NFL years, to go it alone against, or in accretion to the Clemson brand.
Put Lawrence on an XFL team and there will still be 100k at the next Clemson football game, but 5k at his XFL game.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Georgetown? They have zero prestige as a football program. Their “stadium” seats 2,500. Don’t confuse university brand with football program brand.
Sigh. Because at current, there is a P5 that has better quality play. If the P5 quality in 5 years is at current G5 levels, it will still be the best quality there is and people are still going to watch every week.
I know Manhattan doesn’t agree, but CFB popularity is about the program and tradition, not really the individual player. Yes, great individual players help market the team, but people love CFB because they have a sense of pride and belonging to their team because they attended the school.