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Pac 12 players threaten opt-out of 2020 CFB season unless health and safety and other demands are met

SINKRATZ said:
Georgetown? They have zero prestige as a football program. Their “stadium” seats 2,500. Don’t confuse university brand with football program brand.
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The number of schools with a strong football brand is low. Those schools have those reputations based upon a tradition of success. The only reason why a school like Colorado is lucky enough to be relevant is that we had really good players 30 years ago.
 
manhattanbuf said:
The number of schools with a strong football brand is low. Those schools have those reputations based upon a tradition of success. The only reason why a school like Colorado is lucky enough to be relevant is that we had really good players 30 years ago.
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Colorado is relevant because students go to games, have a lot of fun in a great atmosphere, have fond memories of beating Nebraska or getting hammered and rushing the field after beating Oklahoma or because they got laid after some game against Iowa St. They go on to have careers and carry that love of the alma mater with them and if they stay in the area continue to buy tickets and shirts and beers at the game.

Loyalty and tradition go a really long way. 68,000 people didn’t attend the Army/Navy game last year because of all the great players.
 
SINKRATZ said:
Colorado is relevant because students go to games, have a lot of fun in a great atmosphere, have fond memories of beating ****braska or getting hammered and rushing the field after beating Oklahoma or because they got laid after some game against Iowa St. They go on to have careers and carry that love of the alma mater with them and if they stay in the area continue to buy tickets and shirts and beers at the game.

Loyalty and tradition go a really long way. 68,000 people didn’t attend the Army/Navy game last year because of all the great players.
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If you’re going to ask me to do better on a cherry picked example, you’ll need to do the same. Army/Navy is the only game in the country. Most Army and Navy games each week don’t attract too many viewers unless they have good teams that season.

As for CU... as the alumni base ages, without wins that exist because we have great players, the donations will dry up. As college football changes and Colorado continues to fail at this level, there’s a possibility that Colorado is on the outside looking in. As it stands, since we’ve been bad the last 15ish years, we’ve been relegated to worse TV time slots and secondary or tertiary league contracted networks for many games. In the rare times when we are decent or have a high profile opponent, those are the only times when we’re in marquee games. We’ve typically lost those matchups so back to a bad timeslot on the P12 network it goes.
 
Title IX. End of discussion. If any player is paid a share of revenue then they all have to. If they have to cut all non revenue sports then all sports are cut. The 1st lawsuit to get filed will get a temporary injunction and it will force schools to either pay everyone or drop sports entirely.

NIL is a separate fund as it is based on an individual's own business interest and not institutional revenue.
 
Remember, most non-revenue sports do not provide 100% scholarships either. I know a kid who is going to CU and signed a letter of intent to run track and she is not getting that vast majority of her school paid for let alone her housing and books. Not all of the scholarships are created equal and rightfully so based on what the sport provides as a return to the university.
 
manhattanbuf said:
If you’re going to ask me to do better on a cherry picked example, you’ll need to do the same. Army/Navy is the only game in the country. Most Army and Navy games each week don’t attract too many viewers unless they have good teams that season.
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Here's a different example: Virginia Tech last two years. Went 5-3 and 4-4 in conference play, had to schedule a last minute end-of-season G5 game to get bowl eligible, had exactly one player drafted, still averaged >55k per home game and 3rd best TV ratings in conference.

It wasn't individual players driving up those attendance and viewership numbers.
 
hokiehead said:
Here's a different example: Virginia Tech last two years. Went 5-3 and 4-4 in conference play, had to schedule a last minute end-of-season G5 game to get bowl eligible, had exactly one player drafted, still averaged >55k per home game and 3rd best TV ratings in conference.

It wasn't individual players driving up those attendance and viewership numbers.
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If Virginia Tech weren’t regularly in contention for division/league titles and ranked around the top 25, I’m sure that their TV ratings would be much lower. Even in an off year, VT still fielded much better players than the bulk of FCS teams.
 
manhattanbuf said:
If you’re going to ask me to do better on a cherry picked example, you’ll need to do the same. Army/Navy is the only game in the country. Most Army and Navy games each week don’t attract too many viewers unless they have good teams that season.

As for CU... as the alumni base ages, without wins that exist because we have great players, the donations will dry up. As college football changes and Colorado continues to fail at this level, there’s a possibility that Colorado is on the outside looking in. As it stands, since we’ve been bad the last 15ish years, we’ve been relegated to worse TV time slots and secondary or tertiary league contracted networks for many games. In the rare times when we are decent or have a high profile opponent, those are the only times when we’re in marquee games. We’ve typically lost those matchups so back to a bad timeslot on the P12 network it goes.
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You think Army/Navy wouldn’t draw on another day? I disagree, but ok how about Harvard/Yale - 45,000 attended that game at Yale (who typically draws about 5,500 to all other home games). They’re not there and ESPN isn’t televising because of the great football players.

I think you’re severely overlooking the role tradition, atmosphere, pomp, school spirit, and the student body plays in the popularity of college football. I love the Buffs and it sure isn’t because of how great they’ve been the last 15 years.
 
SINKRATZ said:
You think Army/Navy wouldn’t draw on another day? I disagree, but ok how about Harvard/Yale - 45,000 attended that game at Yale (who typically draws about 5,500 to all other home games). They’re not there and ESPN isn’t televising because of the great football players.

I think you’re severely overlooking the role tradition, atmosphere, pomp, school spirit, and the student body plays in the popularity of college football. I love the Buffs and it sure isn’t because of how great they’ve been the last 15 years.
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Great talk. I’m not going to reply to you anymore.
 
It looks to me that the rock bought the xfl as a means to start a minor league system. He sees what is going on. There will be a lot of players that opt to play in a minor league system versus college.

However, most people that support college football will still support college football and their School. There might be a slight drop off in revenue and support, but for the most part, we all support CU because it is CU. Not because of the name on the back of the jersey. Yes, the better players may not be playing but people will still support college football like they always have. Hell, most of the XFL teams could be top 10 in college, so the whole people supporting the better players doesn't hold a lot of water to me.

Regardless of what happens, college football is in for a massive, massive change in the near future.
 
I watch CU because I’m proud of the education I received from CU, I like Boulder, and we have Ralphie. I don’t really care who is on the team. I’ll still watch and go to the games because it supports our community.
 
Buffalumni said:
Im not victimized at all, I don’t see color in people. But if you would like to talk some more about how the black kids bring in all the revenue I’m sure we would all be thrilled to hear it.
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Sure you are, victim. You don’t see color even though the economics of this issue are steeped in racism. But, you don’t see color, so you can’t possibly understand this discussion.
 
I do not like people who only see color and make everything about race. I believe it holds us back from addressing the real issues in America and throughout the world. There are injustices that I’ll never see, that I’ll never know and I have to listen to people to understand and I do that daily. I don’t see color and I don’t see this as a white man vs black man kind of thing. I see this as college athletes vs the conference asking for a piece of the pie, it’s not white or black. We can all be real and we know the issues stem from poverty. From kids who feel trapped who feel their only ways out in life are through sports and making the NFL. We see it all the time, we hear it all the time. It makes for a beautiful story but a heartbreaking reality that we live in a world where people are made to feel that way. On the flip side college sports are a beautiful thing, they give access to kids who might never get that education. They can change courses of that persons life and possibly his kids lives as well. We see stories of NFL players going on to become doctors and bettering themselves and taking advantage of all the things they were given due to sports. I think we too often look for the bad and choose to ignore the good that comes from some of this.

I’m just bothered by race and color and talking about it. We’re all people, we’re all one, it’s about time we just started acting like it.
 
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