Saw they lost a 4 star DT, might be a mass exodus when the punishment comes down.
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Sandusky update (more evidence against Joe P)
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great. that is where these kids wanted to play. and now they get the punishment. makes total sense to me.
That's life. No different than what they risk after college when they accept a job and the company could go bankrupt, have a scandal or face criminal charges through no fault of the entry level employees.
So you're saying there shouldn't be any penalties?
huskermark
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Why not let the players transfer and have their scholarships be paid for by Penn State and count against Penn State.
77buff
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They will get their chance to play. The NCAA is a bunch of p#$$ies. They will lose a few scholarships, and maybe no bowl game - big deal.
Correct. The NCAA should minimize the effect of what happens to current players, but any reasonable punishment necessarily has to punish innocent coaches/players. There is no other way.
I understand what you are saying, but this needs to happen. PSU CANNOT be allowed to go about business as usual just because they fired a few folks. A message needs to be sent that creating a cover up for the good of the program will in fact produce the exact opposite. The harsher the better I say. Hoping for a five year bowl ban, and 50% scholarship reduction at least.
against the people that did something, sure. against the people that did not one thing wrong, no.
why? because the new people still thnk its cool to rape kids and cover it up? (i know you are not trying to say that)
what exactly are they guilty of?
So what do you propose they do for a punishment?
The kids or the administration?
Schools should just cheat, dump offenders, and then go about their business since the guilty are all gone? That is essentially the message you would be sending.
Deleted member 807
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You are a pilot.
Lots of kids want to work for the airlines. Lots of kids saw mom and dad go to work at TWA or Braniff or Eastern. They might have wanted to go to work at those failed airlines, too.
But those airlines went bankrupt or went out of business.
If they wanted to pursue their dream of working in the airline industry, then they would just have to find another airline that wanted their labor.
Those Penn State athletes have over 120 options from which to choose. There are lots of D1 athletic departments who would welcome Penn State's players if the athletes were released from transfer restrictions.
that is why we have a legal system, tini. the people who did this are gone. they need to be punished via the legal system. they are the guilty ones.
both. those that are there now had nothing to do with it. unless i am mistaken and some of the people involved in the cover up are still there.
Then that just sets up a vicious cycle where cheating has zero consequences. Schools could just cheat out of their assholes, fire the coach/AD, hire a new coach/AD, and face no ramifications with your view.
no. its not.
the message that i am sending is that those guilty of actions should be the ones who are punished. when the cheaters are purged from the school and then punished via the legal system, what exactly is it they gain? shame? being banned from participating again? yeah, thats a winner.
no. punish those who cheat. as has been stated before, if a coach is deemed gulity of recruiting violations, then whatever sancations imposed follow him to the new school. and if people who are/were responsible for the violations stay at said school, then they too can be punished. if all those involved are purged from the school, then who exactly are you punishing? people who did nothing wrong.
No that's exactly the message you are sending.
to a simple mind, yes. if you give it some thought, no.
NBDefektor
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Let's see...
Traditional career: can theoretically last 40, 50 years if wanted. If your company goes bankrupt or has a scandal, you immediately get to look for other jobs.
college athletes: a "career" that lasts at most 5 years. and if the NCAA doesn't modify the rules for these players, they lose out on a YEAR of that. so this whole "just like the real-world" analogy doesn't seem to fit quite-so-nicely if you ask me.
So then what is going to prevent schools from cheating if they have no consequences for getting caught?
The NCAA almost always allows players to transfer without penalty. In fact, I can't think of a single time when they didn't allow that.
christ, tini. these people involved are without jobs, have been shamed, face many legal problems that pale in comparison to a school that they are no longer involved with getting a bowl ban.
that sound like an incentive for others to do the same to you?
use your ****ing brain for once.
You are also missing a point here about why institutions should be punished. Because then they will put in measures to prevent it from happening. See?