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The 2021-2022 Coaching Carousel

Not Sure said:
Mike Tomlin would be the most USC hire ever. Trying to catch the Pete Carroll lightning in a bottle over and over again. Seems to me the strategy of hiring an NFL guy for a college job backfires more often than not. It worked spectacularly for USC, once. That’s enough to make them keep trying, I guess.
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Mike Tonkin is different. He would be incredible at USC
 
Buffnik said:
The one I had expected to happen and didn't was Bill Cowher. He and his wife retired in North Carolina (had an offseason home there) and are big with NC State. Speculation was that there was mutual interest & it would happen. He left the NFL pretty dang young, but I guess ultimately decided that the money the network wanted to throw at him for a zero stress job beat the hell out of a 24/7/365 coaching job.
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Some of Cowher’s interviews are pretty revealing about his life in a fishbowl. After losses, he would only fill his car up with gas late at night to avoid the fans. He couldn’t go to the mall or the grocery store. After 30 years of playing and coaching high level football, he needed to see if he could live a normal life.

By the way, I think I read somewhere that he sold the NC house and lives in NYC now. Nothing like the Big Apple.
 
Not Sure said:
Ok. Of the top of my head, I know four ex NFL coaches that went to the college game: Pate Carroll, Bill Callahan, Bill Walsh and Chuck Fairbanks. Three of those guys sucked as College Head Football coaches. One was a Hall of Famer. I’m sure there are other examples, but I honestly can’t think of a single NFL coach who went to College and did well outside of Carroll. That doesn’t mean Tomlin would suck at USC, but if I were them, I’d be looking for a guy who is more connected to the college game and has at least recruited a player at some point in the last year or two. Have to figure the vast majority of any Tomlins coaching connections that he’d want to bring as assistants would also be NFL guys. USC doesn’t need to take that kind of risk.
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Pro tip:
TWO of the coaches on your list won P5 conference championships multiple times. The one that didn't win a natty had 3 seasons with only one loss and finished the season ranked 3, 11, 20, 2, 2. I don't know about you, but I think that's at least a pretty good college coach.
 
skibum said:
Pro tip:
TWO of the coaches on your list won P5 conference championships multiple times. The one that didn't win a natty had 3 seasons with only one loss and finished the season ranked 3, 11, 20, 2, 2. I don't know about you, but I think that's at least a pretty good college coach.
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Are you trying to tell me Chuck Fairbanks was a good coach? He was between Wilkinson and Switzer, both of whom enjoyed WAY more success at OU than Fairbanks. And then he came to CU after an NFL stint, he was an unmitigated nightmare.
 
Not Sure said:
Are you trying to tell me Chuck Fairbanks was a good coach? He was between Wilkinson and Switzer, both of whom enjoyed WAY more success at OU than Fairbanks. And then he came to CU after an NFL stint, he was an unmitigated nightmare.
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Yes, he was a good college coach. He spent 5 years in Norman - long enough that he wasn't riding anyone's coattails. He lost one game his first year, 4 games each in years 2 & 3, and then only one loss in years 4 & 5.

Switzer "improved" Fairbank's team all the way from #2 to #1. I mean, that's an amazing improvement.

I think it's pretty well known that he struggled with alcoholism at CU. While his record at CU indicates a failure, his record at OU was both long enough and good enough to not judge him a failure.

He was a good college coach with a drinking problem that got the better of him.

We can be bitter that it happened while he was here, and he did have the misfortune of serving under one of the worst presidents for CU football the school had ever had up until that point (powder blue came from the president's office).
 
SerenityBuff said:
THIS would be the most USC hire ever.
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Not Sure said:
Are you trying to tell me Chuck Fairbanks was a good coach? He was between Wilkinson and Switzer, both of whom enjoyed WAY more success at OU than Fairbanks. And then he came to CU after an NFL stint, he was an unmitigated nightmare.
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This reminds me that while in Katy, Tx a few weeks back I was sitting on a patio of a Mexican restaurant with my CU hat on. An older guy walked out of the restaurant and looked at me and asked if I was wearing a CU hat. I replied I was, interested to see if he was an A&M fane ready to rub it in. He then told me that he was an Oklahoma alum and how Fairbanks used to coach for them, went to the NFL, and then coached for us. That was it, he just stood there smiling. I wasn’t sure what to do with that info, but I kept thinking you stopped to tell me that?
 
Earlier there was a Wilner tweet that he can confirm that Fisher is not a candidate for the USC job.

Now this. If I'm reading the tea leaves, Franklin's gone and I'm gonna put my money on the Trojans.
 
I think Franklin is a really good A-/B+ type hire. He just needs help finding a good OC (which honestly is a relatively easy hire at USC).
 
Duff Man said:
I think Franklin is a really good A-/B+ type hire. He just needs help finding a good OC (which honestly is a relatively easy hire at USC).
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One key for whomever they hire would be keeping Donte Williams. That dude's an assassin on the recruiting trail.
 
atlbuff said:
This reminds me that while in Katy, Tx a few weeks back I was sitting on a patio of a Mexican restaurant with my CU hat on. An older guy walked out of the restaurant and looked at me and asked if I was wearing a CU hat. I replied I was, interested to see if he was an A&M fane ready to rub it in. He then told me that he was an Oklahoma alum and how Fairbanks used to coach for them, went to the NFL, and then coached for us. That was it, he just stood there smiling. I wasn’t sure what to do with that info, but I kept thinking you stopped to tell me that?
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He was that into you .
 
Tomlin is interesting but I wonder if he has the energy to recruit like he will need to. If he still has that, I think he would be a homerun hire. Tomlin would recruit coast to coast and get talent.

I'd put money on Franklin getting the job though. Not sure he likes it in Happy Valley and he knows the ceiling isn't as high as USC.
 
patebuff said:
Tomlin is interesting but I wonder if he has the energy to recruit like he will need to. If he still has that, I think he would be a homerun hire. Tomlin would recruit coast to coast and get talent.

I'd put money on Franklin getting the job though. Not sure he likes it in Happy Valley and he knows the ceiling isn't as high as USC.
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These days, a HC has to be involved personally with every recruit they're serious about. Any HC who comes in thinking he can just be a "closer" is going to miss on a ton of recruits. Almost impossible to win recruiting battles when your assistant coach is trying to land a guy and the recruit tells him that the program(s) he is competing with have their HC calling & texting him to build a relationship.

That's a big part of why I think Franklin would be the best & scariest hire USC could make. He's a relentless recruiter.
 
patebuff said:
Tomlin is interesting but I wonder if he has the energy to recruit like he will need to. If he still has that, I think he would be a homerun hire. Tomlin would recruit coast to coast and get talent.

I'd put money on Franklin getting the job though. Not sure he likes it in Happy Valley and he knows the ceiling isn't as high as USC.
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Well at least at USC you don't have to run through tOSU, Michigan, (and soon MIch State) to, in theory, make it to the CFB playoffs, where in even an 8 team format I'd still expect any USC team to lose its first game approx 31-10 at best. I don't think USC is a great career move for Franklin but he's probably topped out in HV, as you say, and the pay at Troy will be stellar.
 
Also, Harsin being super weird about vaccination status with a vaccine mandate at Auburn looming.
 
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