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What should be the plan at QB & who is the starter this week?

BuffsBlog.com said:
This aint it.

There are lots of folks that watch the Elite 11 that are scouts. 247, On3, Rivals, etc. I haven't seen any of them --- ANY -- that put Lewis as a top 3-4 overall performers at the camp (I know you think he should be ranked #1 or #2 but even after "falling" he's still ranked #6, which is pretty good and probably about right). For other rankings, see, https://www.on3.com/rivals/news/elite-11-finals-2024-overall-top-performers/ and https://mikefarrellsports.com/recruiting/elite-11-2024-a-comprehensive-recap-of-days-1-2-and-3/.

Now, did he "tank" as you say? Not really - he is still ranked the #6 QB in the class. He's just not an uber-talented Bryce Underwood type.

You cite the Pro Day workout, which is 1 drill during one day of Elite 11 as proof that he should be the top QB in the country. Come on, man. That's like saying the NFL should rank QBs based on which QB can hit the target riding on the back of a golf truck in an NFL Skills Challenge. I think an overall 3 day review/ranking is way better information.

I will agree with you that ESPN has been highest on JuJu for sure, but most experts in the recruiting world value ESPN's opinion the least because they have the fewest scouts and spend the least amount of $$$ on HS recruiting.

AND LAST, I'm cheering for JuJu. I hope he absolutely lights it up. I hope he's Bryce Young 2.0 or Drew Brees 3.0. I just don't think it's fair to him to put the "program savior" tag on him given that he's not a Vince Young or Trevor Lawrence or Bryce Underwood 5+ star type.
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JFC. I didn't offer JuJu's Pro Day performance to suggest he is a top quarterback. You brought Elite 11 into this conversation. Not me. I offered it to refute your dubious claim that JuJu had a poor performance at the Elite 11 camp, and that poor performance caused his ranking to fall precipitously.

You keep throwing around terms like "can't miss" and "program savior" when describing QBs like Vince Young, or Bryce Underwood, or Trevor Lawrence. How about Arch Mannings? Terrelle Pryors? DJ Uiagaleleis? Shea Pattersons? Were they can't miss? How about Cam Wards? Are they a "sure miss?"

There is no such thing as a can't miss QB prospect at the college or pro level. If you want people to take your blog seriously, quit writing such unserious drivel.
 
Hank said:
JFC. I didn't offer JuJu's Pro Day performance to suggest he is a top quarterback. You brought Elite 11 into this conversation. Not me. I offered it to refute your dubious claim that JuJu had a poor performance at the Elite 11 camp, and that poor performance caused his ranking to fall precipitously.

You keep throwing around terms like "can't miss" and "program savior" when describing QBs like Vince Young, or Bryce Underwood, or Trevor Lawrence. How about Arch Mannings? Terrelle Pryors? DJ Uiagaleleis? Shea Pattersons? Were they can't miss? How about Cam Wards? Are they a "sure miss?"

There is no such thing as a can't miss QB prospect at the college or pro level. If you want people to take your blog seriously, quit writing such unserious drivel.
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My point exactly.
 
I didn’t even watch the last game. I can’t watch Salter. I say give the keys to the kid for a whole game, if he is awful, you call the season a rebuild and let him play the rest of the way. If he’s great, you hold off on the rebuilding talk. Salter and Staub won’t get you far come late in the season. Someday, JuJu will.
 
BuffsBlog.com said:
Boom. Roasted.
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Salter signed with Tennessee out of high school as the #7 QB in the country.

Here's what the rankings looked like that year from 247:

1. Quinn Ewers - 7th round pick of Dolphins
2. Caleb Williams - 2024 1st overall draft pick
3. Sam Huard - backup at USC (4th program)
4. Drake Maye - 2024 3rd overall draft pick
5. Brock Vandagriff - retired from Kentucky
6. JJ McCarthy - - 2024 10th overall draft pick
7. Kaidon Salter
8. Kyle McCord - 2025 6th round draft pick
9. Ty Thompson - TE at Tulane
10. Tyler Buchner - a walkon WR now at N.D.
11. Behren Morton - lighting it up at Texas Tech
12. Eli Stowers - TE at Vandy
13. Jaxxon Dart - 2025 25th overall draft pick
14. Jalen Milroe - 2025 3rd round draft pick
19. Garrett Nussmeier - was recently considered the #1QB pick for 2026
21. Sawyer Robertson - starter for Baylor and playing really well
37. Shedeur Sanders

In the top 10, I'd suggest that Huard, Vandagriff, Salter, Thompson, Buchner all were mis-rated.

That's 50% hit rate. Not to mention Ewers arguably rated much too high.
And from Dart through Sanders all being under-rated.
 
I've seen JuJu in the spring and in the Delaware game and if I didn't see anything to suggest he's our #1.
He's also a true frosh, just now 18.
Our offense has really changed for the better since then. We are running it well and the OC has designed plays to get the QB out of the pocket and flood the zone. I think they've done this to get ready for JuJu.

If JuJu is showing it in practice, where stats are kept then play him.
If he's struggling, I'd be concerned. The offense has been simplified.
He should be ready to drive it. If not now, when?
 
buffaholic said:
Salter signed with Tennessee out of high school as the #7 QB in the country.

Here's what the rankings looked like that year from 247:

1. Quinn Ewers - 7th round pick of Dolphins
2. Caleb Williams - 2024 1st overall draft pick
3. Sam Huard - backup at USC (4th program)
4. Drake Maye - 2024 3rd overall draft pick
5. Brock Vandagriff - retired from Kentucky
6. JJ McCarthy - - 2024 10th overall draft pick
7. Kaidon Salter
8. Kyle McCord - 2025 6th round draft pick
9. Ty Thompson - TE at Tulane
10. Tyler Buchner - a walkon WR now at N.D.
11. Behren Morton - lighting it up at Texas Tech
12. Eli Stowers - TE at Vandy
13. Jaxxon Dart - 2025 25th overall draft pick
14. Jalen Milroe - 2025 3rd round draft pick
19. Garrett Nussmeier - was recently considered the #1QB pick for 2026
21. Sawyer Robertson - starter for Baylor and playing really well
37. Shedeur Sanders

In the top 10, I'd suggest that Huard, Vandagriff, Salter, Thompson, Buchner all were mis-rated.

That's 50% hit rate. Not to mention Ewers arguably rated much too high.
And from Dart through Sanders all being under-rated.
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Correct. You have offered support to what everyone here except our expert blogger knows: quarterback is the least predictive position to project.

*Jaxson Dart but Jaxxxon Darts would be bangin'.
 
Hank said:
Correct. You have offered support to what everyone here except our expert blogger knows: quarterback is the least predictive position to project.

*Jaxson Dart but Jaxxxon Darts would be bangin'.
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This was literally the point of the blog post. FFS man.

“I say all of this to remind CU viewers that Lewis is not viewed as a Bryce Underwood level prospect. He’s not a 5-star can’t miss prospect. Instead, he’s a high-level prospect at a position that history shows us is extremely difficult to project future success. In fact, I say this to remind fans that “success” might look an awful lot like CU’s current starting QB.”
 
BuffsBlog.com said:
This was literally the point of the blog post. FFS man.

“I say all of this to remind CU viewers that Lewis is not viewed as a Bryce Underwood level prospect. He’s not a 5-star can’t miss prospect. Instead, he’s a high-level prospect at a position that history shows us is extremely difficult to project future success. In fact, I say this to remind fans that “success” might look an awful lot like CU’s current starting QB.”
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If you throw enough spaghetti at the wall, some of it might stick. You don't see how that is a meaningless word salad?
 
Salter ain't it. I have to hold my breath eveytime he drops back concerned how he is gonna **** up next. He can't be trusted throwing downfield, hence why the play calling wasn't there the first few games, and they open up the playbook yhis week and he throws 3 ints in the first half.

He is not a competent p4 QB, and should not be starting. If he is the best we currently got, then may as well run wildcat.
 
Hank said:
Correct. You have offered support to what everyone here except our expert blogger knows: quarterback is the least predictive position to project.

*Jaxson Dart but Jaxxxon Darts would be bangin'.
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Explains the pillow talk thread. Maybe it’s not Rebecca? 🤣
 
I honestly say give the ball back to Ryan Staub.
JuJu should redshirt if possible. Saves a year to see if he really can handle the BigXII.
Sit Salter....he's just bad.

staub has made the best decisions this season, and he appears to be more comfortable than the others right now.

He's just a sophomore....and JuJu is a freshman...But Salter, the Senior, makes worse decisions taht either of the two young guys.
 
darth-horax said:
I honestly say give the ball back to Ryan Staub.
JuJu should redshirt if possible. Saves a year to see if he really can handle the BigXII.
Sit Salter....he's just bad.

staub has made the best decisions this season, and he appears to be more comfortable than the others right now.

He's just a sophomore....and JuJu is a freshman...But Salter, the Senior, makes worse decisions taht either of the two young guys.
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No way, Juju does not need 4 years of football to go where he wants to go.
If he plays 6.1 games this season and we see that he has some great accuracy and ability, then the next 3-years will be spectacular because we can build around him and not have to start over finding all these good receivers and skill players. Hit on a few more RB's, let the young OL grow into what this years OL is doing, and we have a 3 year runway. Juju should have played on day 1 if we had a better OC and QB coach helping build a safe system around him, and if we had realized what our OL would become. I think he should play now because of the OL, running game, and receivers. Salters legs have not really mattered enough to offset what could be done with better passing.
 
darth-horax said:
I honestly say give the ball back to Ryan Staub.
JuJu should redshirt if possible. Saves a year to see if he really can handle the BigXII.
Sit Salter....he's just bad.

staub has made the best decisions this season, and he appears to be more comfortable than the others right now.

He's just a sophomore....and JuJu is a freshman...But Salter, the Senior, makes worse decisions taht either of the two young guys.
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How in the living hell can you claim Salter is bad (which he is) and then advocate for Staub to play who was even worse than Salter?

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You assert that Staub made better decisions than Salter, his TOWP% is nearly double that of Salter. Staub's INT rate is also quite a bit higher than Salter, despite Salter throwing 3 picks last game. A 13.3% drop% from Staub can also indicate he throws a less catchable than Salter.

More into Staub he was HORRIBLE when he was kept clean, under pressure, blitzed, and not blitzed compared to Salter. Terrible on PA, no PA, screen, and no screen. The only place that Staub has not been awful on has been targets 20+ yards down the field.

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Your logic makes zero sense - as does this argument to say Lewis should save a RS.
 

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Corey Trevorson said:
How in the living hell can you claim Salter is bad (which he is) and then advocate for Staub to play who was even worse than Salter?

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You assert that Staub made better decisions than Salter, his TOWP% is nearly double that of Salter. Staub's INT rate is also quite a bit higher than Salter, despite Salter throwing 3 picks last game. A 13.3% drop% from Staub can also indicate he throws a less catchable than Salter.

More into Staub he was HORRIBLE when he was kept clean, under pressure, blitzed, and not blitzed compared to Salter. Terrible on PA, no PA, screen, and no screen. The only place that Staub has not been awful on has been targets 20+ yards down the field.

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Your logic makes zero sense - as does this argument to say Lewis should save a RS.
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If you're not playing JuJu, why waste a year of eligibility, especially why he's so young?
If you're not going to waste the redshirt, then play him!

Otherwise it's wasted time.
 
darth-horax said:
If you're not playing JuJu, why waste a year of eligibility, especially why he's so young?
If you're not going to waste the redshirt, then play him!

Otherwise it's wasted time.
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Playing Lewis so he has effectively half a season of starting experience for next year & beyond isn't wasting a red shirt year. Salter and Staub sucks, run with them and you're only winning 2 or 3 games this year and then you run into next year with a QB with minimal to no experience.

All you're doing by playing Salter or Staub is admitting defeat without saying it and wasting the talent at WR behind a very good pass blocking OL and a solid run blocking OL and run game.
 
darth-horax said:
If you're not playing JuJu, why waste a year of eligibility, especially why he's so young?
If you're not going to waste the redshirt, then play him!

Otherwise it's wasted time.
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Unless JuJu is pushing to redshirt, he plays. The redshirt is worthless in this situation. He will not be here more than 4 years and likely 3 depending on his development. If he is not developing in the CU system by year 3 he is gone to another program. If he is developing and progressing like everyone thinks, he will be moving on after 4 year at the most to the NFL. Red shirts for skill spots are a dead animal unless there is an injury
 
Buffalo Brad said:
Unless JuJu is pushing to redshirt, he plays. The redshirt is worthless in this situation. He will not be here more than 4 years and likely 3 depending on his development. If he is not developing in the CU system by year 3 he is gone to another program. If he is developing and progressing like everyone thinks, he will be moving on after 4 year at the most to the NFL. Red shirts for skill spots are a dead animal unless there is an injury
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Exactly. If he and his Dad truly want him to RS then OK, but he’s not going to be a 5 year college guy so it doesn’t really matter.
 
Corey Trevorson said:
How in the living hell can you claim Salter is bad (which he is) and then advocate for Staub to play who was even worse than Salter?

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You assert that Staub made better decisions than Salter, his TOWP% is nearly double that of Salter. Staub's INT rate is also quite a bit higher than Salter, despite Salter throwing 3 picks last game. A 13.3% drop% from Staub can also indicate he throws a less catchable than Salter.

More into Staub he was HORRIBLE when he was kept clean, under pressure, blitzed, and not blitzed compared to Salter. Terrible on PA, no PA, screen, and no screen. The only place that Staub has not been awful on has been targets 20+ yards down the field.

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Your logic makes zero sense - as does this argument to say Lewis should save a RS.
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Data win.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I have heard it’s Salter this week and then Juju at Utah after the Bye if they lose/Salter doesn’t play well
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IF THEY LOSE? Salter has had so much rope, it is incredible, and you have a home game coming up

Sad choice if it is.
Juju would get a lot of support this week at home, and Iowa State is beatable through the air
At Utah will be very hostile and loud, and having the bye week to work on what he felt at home was working or not would be helpful
This staff cannot get out of their own way
 
4BienemyTDs said:
IF THEY LOSE? Salter has had so much rope, it is incredible, and you have a home game coming up

Sad choice if it is.
Juju would get a lot of support this week at home, and Iowa State is beatable through the air
At Utah will be very hostile and loud, and having the bye week to work on what he felt at home was working or not would be helpful
This staff cannot get out of their own way
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Nah, it's the right move, IMO. Salter still gives them the best chance to win and they can take a big step in salvaging a bowl if they can win this game.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I have heard it’s Salter this week and then Juju at Utah after the Bye if they lose/Salter doesn’t play well
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I'm cool with giving him one more chance while also then giving JuJu two weeks to prepare assuming we get the same old Salter.

At that point, if Salter says he wasn't given a fair chance he is only lying to himself.
 
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