"Patience" only makes sense to ask for if the moves the HC is making are making the program better.
Show me the staff management, roster management and recruiting that points to the right program trajectory and I'll give you patience.
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What would it take for you to be pro-Dorrell?
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Show me the staff management, roster management and recruiting that points to the right program trajectory and I'll give you patience.
bigbang2
blindslighted
He got rid of the OC, DC and OL coach. His first recruiting class had players like Niko Reed playing early. kD might not be the guy. But it is too early to make any conclusions. 2022 is a big year for him. If we don't see progress after year 3 then it will be time to move in another direction.
1. He should have stripped that OC of playcalling duties long before he fired him. (After Minnesota, if not aTm).
2. DC firing was great. Internal promotion was very questionable.
3. OL Coach should have never been hired, was obscenely overpaid, and was not held accountable for being lazy, stupid and incompetent until the day he was fired.
4. Last year's class was a transition class, so I'm giving a bit of a pass. But it did not set us up to become more talented than we currently are relative to Pac-12 peers.
“Getting rid of the mistakes he shouldn’t have made in the first place” isn’t the winning argument you think it is.
bigbang2
blindslighted
Tyson Summers and Chev were already at CU before Dorrel arrival. Can't in good faith give up on a coach that is 8-10 going to year 3, having to deal with Covid disrupting recruiting and his development plans for his team. I can't do it. KD had his first home visit last week after 2 years in charge. I do like how the team didnt give up this year. I also like the freshmen that saw the field this year. kD should realize he ia on the hotseat. Got to be aggressive with the transfer portal and Juco ranks. Also need to hire OL and OC coaches that have experience and can recruit. I dont want a coach that has never been a coordinator before. Also need guys that can teach.
With the huge advantage of the previous HC being there past signing day so not having a rough transition class
CU IT guy
Well-Known Member
And EVERY other program in the world had to deal with the same limitations. Really sick of the excuse making. You make it sound like COVID only happened to Duhrell.
wtf buffz?
Member
Only time is be pro dorrell is when he cleans out his office at cu and takes his no personality and s**tbag offense, and disappears into obscurity forever
I'm pro fire Karl dorrels worthless a**
I'm pro fire Karl dorrels worthless a**
SeanMSan
Well-Known Member
Only to move into the office vacated by Rick George…
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Sanford as OC isn't innovative. It's awful. This is the definition of insanity. We barely throw the ball last year, didn't use the TE (it's almost as if Chev didn't know what they were), and then he goes out and hires a guy who got fired at Minnesota for doing the same things.
When Dorrell shows he's capable of learning from a season like 2021 or gets fired, I'll start taking CU football seriously again.
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Not possible anymore. I am done until he and the the AD are cleaned out
I had all but given up after the season. The short lived excitement during the OC search had started to pull me back in, but this hire sealed the deal. We are just in waiting mode until KD is gone. And it better not be RG or LC that make that next hire.
Yep.
I've wanted KD to have a chance to show us his vision and get his own guys hired. DJ & Chev were inherited.
First major red flag to me was that he needed an OL Coach and somehow ended up hiring Rod.
Looking for silver lining, I thought maybe this showed he was willing to take outside-the-box risks to gain advantage.
But, no, that was just a rushed, poorly considered hire that no program at this level would have been incompetent enough to consider to the point of interview, let alone hire.
Wilson and Sanford, like Langsdorf at QB, are completely uninspired hires of professional coaches with good pedigree on their resumes but nothing there that's invigorating or innovative.
We now know KD's vision.
The vision is to get back to fundamentals. Basic football and football concepts taught by professionals and implemented by high character players who know their assignments. Don't beat yourself. Shorten the game with a ball control offense & play bend but don't break defense to avoid giving up big plays.
If KD's vision was a breakfast cereal, it would be unsweetened corn flakes.
So where I think I'm at is to back off for a while. If the vision works, we will get a stable, competent, mediocre team that plays boring football. That could be a nice foundation for the next coach if somehow we can avoid the talent being in the bottom 10% of P5.
Like how I looked at early MacIntyre. Build up a team that could have a breakthrough year with vets and a little luck, then parlay that to ratcheting up to that next level in recruiting. The ratcheting didn't happen, so we became a program of annual 5-7 seasons.
I'm not quite sure why we changed so much and spent money we didn't have to just get the same results as before. Because having forever Buffs in charge somehow makes the same result better?
I'll pay light attention. Be here in case there's a bandwagon season to jump on and enjoy. But I'm done investing myself into caring so deeply. It's not worth it when being a CU football fan has rarely made my life better the past 18 years. Outside of the friends made & it being something to bring us together, there's very little about CU football fandom I could recommend to anyone.
So I'll be casual about it now. No donations. No season tickets. Talk about it some with you guys. Watch most games on tv. Attend some when it works for the fam. Reserve my emotional investment for basketball.
We are in the same place.
So we should plan to hang out at some tailgates, go to the game, and stick if it's fun. If it's painful to watch, be prepared to hit a backup plan of Pearl, hiking, Eldora or just hanging out drinking & watching other games.
Yup. Best part of the season was sackygate.
In other words the quality of the CU game experience is directly related the quality and quantity of alcohol consumed?
And some great tailgate food spreads making that drinking easier.
I went to that place when KD was hired. The Pitt OC rumors had me ready to get back on the fence.
The 4 and 0 mirage got me last year. I'm back to a safe space now
That was me kinda sorta. The Utah game and Alamo Bowl was the dose of reality I needed.
Return to tailgate vehicle. Continue to Drink but heavily. Eat the rest of the food. Cry.
This is basically where our group is at. 8 of us have season tickets together, 4 have already dropped. We’re unsure what our plan is, but no more donations, lunches, whatever lame BS the AD comes up with. Our entire Athletic Department is borderline apathetic with ALL of their programs. Social media presence is non-existent and disconnected. Very little by way of attempts to engage students, etc… my issues are more with the AD than anywhere else.
I do have a hell of a lot of respect for the commitment that student athletes undertake while getting an education, so it’s difficult to decide to stop showing up. My kids are 6 and 8 and love going to all types of games, so that factors into keeping seats as well. I don’t know what next season holds, but the University better step it’s game up, or they run the risk of losing even the die hards to any number of the other options people have to spend money on.
I do have a hell of a lot of respect for the commitment that student athletes undertake while getting an education, so it’s difficult to decide to stop showing up. My kids are 6 and 8 and love going to all types of games, so that factors into keeping seats as well. I don’t know what next season holds, but the University better step it’s game up, or they run the risk of losing even the die hards to any number of the other options people have to spend money on.