I like the guy, good resume, likely great SD and other area connections. I would be happy with this hire.
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Who Should be the new QB Coach?
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I like the guy, good resume, likely great SD and other area connections. I would be happy with this hire.
jkppkjjkp
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I said Koy as a joke at first, then I googled him to see what he was up to and it wouldn't be the worst idea ever.
jkppkjjkp
Well-Known Member
Gus Malzahn moved from HS coach to OC at Arkansas. Granted, he had won a couple of state titles.
Big Jim
WTF?
Who ran off Detmer’s nephew from CU? Was it Embree or MacIntyre?
Big Jim
WTF?
Brian Lindgren. Really?
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
His nephew (Stevie Joe Dorman) never should have been on scholarship in the first place, and it was Embree who offered him. He didn't attempt a single pass at CU and after 3 years decided he would never play and transferred to Texas A&M-Kingsville and played a little.
Big Jim
WTF?
3 years. So you are saying that MacIntyre ran him off then. Wonder if Detmer would work for MacIntyre after that?
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
I don't think he was run off. Dorman said when he announced his transfer that he didn't think he'd ever replace Sefo as the starter and wanted to go somewhere he would play - very common especially for QBs. It's a shame he had to sit for 3 years before making that realization, he probably would have been better off going FCS out of HS.
Having watched a few practices, that was a good transfer. He was way behind some of the walk ons.
If that's what we get out of our QB coach, we will really suck. Probably the single most important position to have a great coach at, especially given our lack of OC experience.
ahoelsken
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Several things-One, our entire QB room should improve because they'll now have a position coach who doesn't call plays. Two, play-callers do not play as big a role in recruiting as other assistants.....which means Chiaverini's recruiting will undoubtedly suffer. Given he's been the best recruiter on this staff in the two plus years he's been back (and its not that close), it is even more essential that whoever we hire to fill that slot and the 10th AC slot when that opens next month are good recruiters.
So you're no 1 is that he needs to actually know what he's doing as a QB coach.
And I see no reason that a play caller can't be an active recruiter. You don't recruit during offensive possessions I guess Happens all the time. Enough that it's an All buffs fallacy. I'll submit Mario Cristoball as evidence, but there's a slew of them.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like all the coaches to be good recruiters, but I can't see having a QB coach who's a recruiter, but not a good coach.
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ahoelsken
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An active recruiter and a good recruiter are two totally different things. Brian Lindgren was an active recruiter while he was here-Darrin Chiaverini is a good recruiter. As far as what I said about coordinators not being good recruiters-the rivals 25 best recruiter list from this past year seems to back that up......of the names on that list, 5 have or had coordinator titles at that point in time:
Jeff Scott
Brent Venables
Mike Bloomgren
Randy Shannon
Jimmy Lake
Is it possible for a coordinator to be a good recruiter? Sure. The norm? no.
You're still missing my point-we need solid recruiters in that QB coach and 10th AC spot (no matter how we decide to use it). Do we have guys who can coach? Yeah, I'd say so. Adams deserves credit for how good last year's offensive line was, just as he deserves blame for how bad this year's offensive line is. Sha'don Brown did a good job with this year's secondary-especially given how young it was. Do we have a staff of solid recruiters? Outside of Chiaverini, I'd say no.
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There are 2 coordinators in a 9, now 10, person staff. So 20%. 20% of the rivals list are coordinators. What?
True, and he brought his 5 star QB with him.
I'm not sure I've ever seen so many back handed compliments in so few sentences. Well done sir.
jkppkjjkp
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Yeah, I don't think the safe money back then would have been on Malzahn being 10 fold more successful than Mustain; yet here we are.
Also, here is an article from 2015 talking about HS coaches going to college including some P5 teams. HS coach to position coach/recruiting stud seems to have plenty of precedence.
I still don't have a strong opinion one way or the other on whether or not Koy Detmer would be a great choice, but I think it's not ridiculous.
I think that article would actually point it to being very ridiculous. The guys who tend to make the jump are wildly successful coaches who are also usually in prime recruiting territory.
I said this before in one of these threads, but one of the more successful coaches at CU was a successful high school coach before CU.
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But, between HS coaching and CU he spent several years coaching at FCS.
There's a reason for the usual career progression.
Sanchez at UNLV is proving to be on the downward side of that curve. He was a god in Las Vegas and Nevada HS Football at a Semi-Pro High School Program (Gorman) and now he is below average at UNLV. Some guys have great situations (10 times more talent than any other high school in Las Vegas) and have great success. Some guys have below average to average situations and coach themselves up and out of it and ultimately prove to be a great coach. Most good coaches can succeed if they have ALL the best players.
One thing that comes to mind about our recruiting situation is that Chev can likely still be very important to our Offensive recruits because technically they will be playing for him. But, now that he may not be as focused on defensive recruits, that side of the ball falls to Elliot and Macintyre to succeed. That is where the rubber meets the road, and we either sink or swim. Since this is the first year that Elliot has his hands on the recruits, we will judge him after signing day and on how the 2019 class shapes up.
One thing that comes to mind about our recruiting situation is that Chev can likely still be very important to our Offensive recruits because technically they will be playing for him. But, now that he may not be as focused on defensive recruits, that side of the ball falls to Elliot and Macintyre to succeed. That is where the rubber meets the road, and we either sink or swim. Since this is the first year that Elliot has his hands on the recruits, we will judge him after signing day and on how the 2019 class shapes up.
Mr Vengeance
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No idea if he's even being considered, but in my heart I would love to see Koy back in Boulder, since he is my all-time favorite Buff. Playing the position in the NFL for a decade has to move you slightly higher up the qualifications ladder than just a "normal high school coach", no? My brain on the other hand doesn't know how his personality would translate to recruiting, and first and foremost I want the staff improved, not to just hire alums or people I liked when I was a kid...
jkppkjjkp
Well-Known Member
That's a fair interpretation, I'll concede.
Crickets
I disagree. I think QB is the one position where it really helps to have a coach who has played the position. It's hard to become an expert on coaching QB mechanics unless you've been a QB who has absorbed that kind of coaching from another former QB.
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