We should hire as many guys who coached under Barnett as possible.
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Who Should be the new QB Coach?
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Recruiting is not easy but McCartney proved that it is not impossible and can be done at a very high level if you have the right coaches in place at CU, a long time ago. You have to believe in what you are selling to these kids and there are coaches right now who are just not good at it, or just don't care. That has to be fixed.
come on. Concentrate!
One of his best is just down the road in Pueblo.
Gdansk?
Things have become so different today then it was back then. Social media and the internet has changed everything when it comes to recruiting. Back then you got post cards and letters and a few phone calls and at school/in home visits, and visits to the schools,and they were all limited. You got to know the coach, understand his character, through those interactions. No one really knew who was recruiting you, unless you told them.
Now everything is out in the social world, you have 24/7 contact with coaches, fans, media. Everyone knows who is recruiting you, and how they are doing it. Just look at how many kids say when they get a tweet they appreciate the "love" the school is showing them. I believe with all the social pressures,and the amount impersonal contact through the social media the context of learning about the school and the people involved has become watered down. It seams to me to no longer be a personal interaction (that coaches like McCartney and Barnett excelled at) it is a social experiment to see how much "love" they get. JMO
Love this post.
Yet you didn't even "Like" it.
You are right in the context of your post on how recruiting takes place now compared to 20-30 years ago, but we have people who seem to think recruiting right now is about as good as it can get. That is completely false. Recruiting will always constantly change with technology. You need coaches who know that and use that to their advantage. Its not easy, but it also can be done at a high level at CU. The excuse that CU can't recruit at a higher level is completely not true and a stupid argument.
I agree it can be better and it should be better. My point was when McCartney built up the program, and came into your house, he was able to sell you on his ideas, plans for the future, and you go know the man and his character. Then Barnett followed suit, and it was very personal. After they left, that visit stuck with you, for a long time. They could really sell you on why CU was better then UCLA, or SC for example, and you were not bothered 24/7 about it, by fans, media, no one even knew they were in your home! This gave you the ability to choose a building program like CU and look outside of the constant national contenders.
Now I am not going to say these kids don't feel the same way, today. I just seems to me that once contact is made by whoever, it is quickly washed out by the next tweet.
Back to your point, we need to learn how to play the game. That's why Chev is seen as a good recruiter, he gets the importance of social media. Maybe instead of more coaches we hire a couple media experts to run every coaches twitter account and start blowing kids accounts up! If that's what it takes!
In today's world or recruiting, the truth is that the Coach should only be responsible for about 25% of the recruiting transaction. Instead, a large and creative back recruiting organization should and likely does handle all of the aspects of the recruiting process. Coaches actually are likely not good recruiters because that is an entirely different skill and task for them. With all this babbling I just did in mind, I have a question:
How many people do we have in the Athletic Department specifically in a position and part of a team that helps with the recruiting game?
This is where RG can really focus his time, and more money, and more people, and more technology and build something futuristic and special. The coaches should be basically assisted and guided through the process.
vinniew_11
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This current conversation regarding recruiting has been my thought all along. I actually think Mac and crew are very much old school when it comes to recruiting, very much in the Mac/Barnett mold. That doesn’t work on today’s technology enhanced recruits. I like the idea of social media staffers that are all about that stroking of recruits egos online.
Technology and Social Media is the future. Each coach also needs or maybe likely already has a personal assistant that can make things special for each recruit. Maybe we already have this in place, but since I am not internally connected I do not know? I see 4 people specifically on the website for Recruiting:
Adam Toyama, Scott Unrein, Bruce Jones, and Michael Slife. I would think that it would make sense to invest in doubling or tripling the size of that office and there should be multiple technology folks in that group. Better to have 5 folks at $65,000 per year each, than 1 coach at $800,000 per year that spends 25% of there time on it. That means you are actually paying $3,200,000 to try and get 1 FTE of effort on recruiting. I think I heard someone say that Alabama has as many as 30 people in the recruiting office?
There's always a chance that Chev decides to go Inside Receivers instead of Tight Ends for that coaching position in his offense.
Agree with almost all of this, except the part about social media/tech being the future. It is the present. Chev is our most effective recruiter because he’s the most plugged in on social media.
I am nostalgic for the days when you got deals done by phone and in person. But, people who are currently 16-17 years old are online constantly checking Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, and whatever other apps I am too old to know about. If you don’t have recruiters who can communicate with young people through these mediums, you’re getting passed by the top programs who have it figured out. Maybe this is why recruiting ratings and results are so similar after the top 30: the best programs recruit well with tech and differentiate themselves from the pack. The rest are chasing the elite programs and end up with similar player quality.
I am nostalgic for the days when you got deals done by phone and in person. But, people who are currently 16-17 years old are online constantly checking Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, and whatever other apps I am too old to know about. If you don’t have recruiters who can communicate with young people through these mediums, you’re getting passed by the top programs who have it figured out. Maybe this is why recruiting ratings and results are so similar after the top 30: the best programs recruit well with tech and differentiate themselves from the pack. The rest are chasing the elite programs and end up with similar player quality.
Of course it is the now and it would be interesting to see how each of our current coaches would rate at social media abilities. What I think and what I meant was that there are more and more creative things coming down the road, and anyone that is either older or more stubborn about technology will immediately become a worse recruiter unless they have Tech Assistants, which maybe we have, but I would go all in on it and be innovators.
Also, Mac #1 would sell the beauty of Boulder and the Campus over any other ugly flat campus (Lincoln or Stillwater) in the midwest and Texas!!! Driving a recruit from the Airport, past Mile High Stadium, and then up to Boulder set the table for blowing away the kid that had to fly into Ames, IA or Columbia, MO. The 30 for 30 did a great job of talking about how he would discuss the Flatirons and just have them see it for themselves. Seems like recruiting to CU and the Denver area would be more advantageous that a lot of other places if you focused and worked at it.
“Come to Colorado, we have legal weed”
So, any news?
Don’t you know this is a thread for arguing about recruiting, not an informational thread ?
Find some interns in the communications department. As far as that goes my 15 year old daughter and her friends could make our coaching staff look like twitter gods!
One thing that needs to be stressed is that CU needs a new Recruiting Coordinator either out of this hire or with one of the other ones. No one from the current staff should be given that job. I know that both Els (Nebraska) and Bernardi (UCLA) have had that job and that Hagan directed it from an administrative side as Director of Player Personnel at CU. But we need to go outside for this one.
An absolute homerun hire if RG could make the numbers work (h/t to @Liver ) would be: Marques Tuiasosopo. He's QB Coach/ Recruiting Coordinator at Cal after having had a similar role at UCLA. He's slated to make $450k this year, so that would be a big nut -- especially since there would be some shuffling with the Chev contract so he makes more and the Adams salary so he makes the same. But outside of the numbers feasibility, this would be the perfect hire.
An absolute homerun hire if RG could make the numbers work (h/t to @Liver ) would be: Marques Tuiasosopo. He's QB Coach/ Recruiting Coordinator at Cal after having had a similar role at UCLA. He's slated to make $450k this year, so that would be a big nut -- especially since there would be some shuffling with the Chev contract so he makes more and the Adams salary so he makes the same. But outside of the numbers feasibility, this would be the perfect hire.
Big Jim
WTF?
I agree with you. Yet what in MacIntyre's past indicates he will hire anybody other than an unemployed or recently demoted coach sometime next spring? I believe Chev is the only coach MacIntyre has hired, no promoted, that didn't fit the currently unemployed or recently demoted. I'll even go as far as to say that MacIntyre is likely satisfied with the current commit list and doesn't feel compelled to do anything until after the February signing date when coaches "become available".
What??? - Like Shawn Sims, Vince Okruch and Dave Boberly. Some of the worst assistants at CU ever, only outmatched by MacIntyre’s rinky-dink crew.
But, they were loyal buffs. That counts for everything.
P.s. turn on the sarcasm font.
Would LOVE that hire.
Zapata
Well-Known Member
A more realistic target, who would come with a very a high ceiling would be Kenny Dillingham, QB and Tight Ends coach at Memphis. 247Sports ranks him as the 2nd best recruiter in the AAC. He got his start as graduate assistant with Norvell while at Arizona State. His salary is listed at $160K;, so if he was looking for a raise we could certainly offer him one. He is very young (26), with only one year as a QB coach, so probably not enough track record there to go-off.. QBs have had a ton of success in Memphis of late so there is that going for him..
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I kind of assumed Chev and Adams were getting raises together with their title changes.
If CU went that direction, it better be pooling resources for a huge hire for DL. That's a series of events that could sell it to me.