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KyleM. said:
How about semi-relevant
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Cop out answer: How do you define semi-relevant?

Thought out, elaborated answer: Yes, technically everyone can be semi-relevant, although only for a short period of time (eg Colorado 2016). I do, however, consider that to be a catch lightning in a bottle situation and a constellation that, given the college football reality at that time, only happened like once every decade or so for a program like CU. Given the new reality with NIL and the transfer portal and the consequences these changes bring for a program like CU (eg everyone who proves himself to be somewhat competent can transfer to a "big" program with no strings attached) I would consider the odds of the stars aligning for CU even for only one season to be really low. And that's what it is about at the end of the day, plain probabilities. Few things are ever deterministic, so as far as I am concerned your best bet always is to adapt your behaviour according to the odds.
 
The sooner the current system blows up entirely and some form of super league forms the better at this point. CU is a featherweight trying to fight in a sport that doesn’t have weight classes. I’m ready to root for a featherweight program in a featherweight division - we’ll never compete for a national title but at least we’ll have something to compete for. Ugh I can’t believe I said that.
 
SINKRATZ said:
The sooner the current system blows up entirely and some form of super league forms the better at this point. CU is a featherweight trying to fight in a sport that doesn’t have weight classes. I’m ready to root for a featherweight program in a featherweight division - we’ll never compete for a national title but at least we’ll have something to compete for. Ugh I can’t believe I said that.
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Remember when we we beating the likes of Texas and Oklahoma consistently? Remember when we were regularly putting multitudes of players on NFL rosters?

It just seems like it is a matter of will and it pisses me off that we don’t have the will.
 
SBP said:
Remember when we we beating the likes of Texas and Oklahoma consistently? Remember when we were regularly putting multitudes of players on NFL rosters?

It just seems like it is a matter of will and it pisses me off that we don’t have the will.
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We paid players then.
 
SBP said:
I know it!! Let’s pay players now!!!
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jerry maguire money GIF
 
Jens1893 said:
Cop out answer: How do you define semi-relevant?

Thought out, elaborated answer: Yes, technically everyone can be semi-relevant, although only for a short period of time (eg Colorado 2016). I do, however, consider that to be a catch lightning in a bottle situation and a constellation that, given the college football reality at that time, only happened like once every decade or so for a program like CU. Given the new reality with NIL and the transfer portal and the consequences these changes bring for a program like CU (eg everyone who proves himself to be somewhat competent can transfer to a "big" program with no strings attached) I would consider the odds of the stars aligning for CU even for only one season to be really low. And that's what it is about at the end of the day, plain probabilities. Few things are ever deterministic, so as far as I am concerned your best bet always is to adapt your behaviour according to the odds.
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that was really wells stated

which is probably the highest praise I dish out on a message board.
 
I would be happy being relevant in a new model where / division / league where amateurism is restored, even if it's considered a "lesser / lower tier" of CFB that didn't include teams associated with schools where players are paid seven figures.
 
MtnBuff said:
What happens when the great majority of schools fans can no longer even have the illusion of hope to be competitive?

It's not hard to see large quantities of fans from the majority of schools losing interest.
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Well at least misery loves company
 
Ha! Who the hell do we have that can or will fund these NIL deals. CU's wealthy donors don't value winning enough to drop the scratch that is being thrown around. Truthfully most would probably prefer to avoid most football and mens basketball and instead give NIL deals to the women's programs and the men's olympic sports. They would probably see bigger returns on that from advertising and good will.
 
AeroBuff99 said:
Ha! Who the hell do we have that can or will fund these NIL deals. CU's wealthy donors don't value winning enough to drop the scratch that is being thrown around. Truthfully most would probably prefer to avoid most football and mens basketball and instead give NIL deals to the women's programs and the men's olympic sports. They would probably see bigger returns on that from advertising and good will.
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you know, since moving here in 2013, I've bashed on Colorado sports fans for only being interested in sports that are played by millionaires.

A part of me is wondering if the NIL rules could possibly get more Coloradans (notably potential BMDs) interested in the college game sufficiently to pony up some cash.
 
AeroBuff99 said:
Ha! Who the hell do we have that can or will fund these NIL deals. CU's wealthy donors don't value winning enough to drop the scratch that is being thrown around. Truthfully most would probably prefer to avoid most football and mens basketball and instead give NIL deals to the women's programs and the men's olympic sports. They would probably see bigger returns on that from advertising and good will.
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I think the larger issue is that the AD knows that these deals would trade-off with donations to the AD at Colorado. We’re not a program where boosters are jazzed about the direction of the program.
 
KyleM. said:
Excellent response Jens. Not to go all Purdue (I live here) but I'd take 8-9 wins and a bowl victory, fringe top 25. Win the division every once in a while and premier bowl every 20 years. That sounds pretty semi-relevant.
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Shiiiiit, I'd take 6 wins and a bowl every 3rd year and be top o' the world.
 
AeroBuff99 said:
Ha! Who the hell do we have that can or will fund these NIL deals. CU's wealthy donors don't value winning enough to drop the scratch that is being thrown around. Truthfully most would probably prefer to avoid most football and mens basketball and instead give NIL deals to the women's programs and the men's olympic sports. They would probably see bigger returns on that from advertising and good will.
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This is true.

The essential flaw in all of this, for me, is that the entities for whom the players play (or are “employed“), the Universities, have no interest in actually paying these “employees” (beyond a scholarship and food), The Universities had it so good for so long, they won’t re-conceive their accounting and business models to include paying players directly.

That leaves renumeration for players—if any—almost entirely to third parties—who will pay for “likeness” or advertising, not strictly for the sport being played.

I still can’t think of a model where this has ever been tried, much less successfully, to engender any form of competitive equilibrium. It is a flawed, ad hoc development built on a out-dated assumption of “free labor.”

Maybe if there is a standard pay from the institutions themselves, as a baseline—minimum salary, there could be a way to govern or level this playing field. Even that’s an unknown, and far more likely this will just get worse and worse, with a small handful growing to become the Premier League like English soccer. The rest will be relegated to some lesser league, financially locked in place by the subsequent lack of exposure.
 
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SBP said:
That to me is RG’s job. Get the boosters on board to come up with the dough and get the administration on board to allow the players that we need in. I gauranf*ckingtee you that that is what Gordon Gee did.
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SBP said:
One more thing! RG was the damn recruiting coordinator during our heyday. He was the guy arranging bag men for crying out loud!!
The fact that he is so flat footed NIL makes me sick!!!
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You are mad at RG, think he was caught flat footed by NIL, but acknowledge his role back in our heyday under Gordon Gee.

Why do you think his public position is different today?
 
SBP said:
Legitimate question. Probably the attitude of the leadership at CU. Your thoughts?
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Welcome to the consensus of the board that it took me a while to reconcile. My friends that don’t follow CU closely think it is insanity, but I can find no other reason for only 1 six win season in 13 years. Half of all programs achieve that annually. You have to actually be trying to be that ****ty. The CU Admin doesn’t give a ****.
 
AeroBuff99 said:
Ha! Who the hell do we have that can or will fund these NIL deals. CU's wealthy donors don't value winning enough to drop the scratch that is being thrown around. Truthfully most would probably prefer to avoid most football and mens basketball and instead give NIL deals to the women's programs and the men's olympic sports. They would probably see bigger returns on that from advertising and good will.
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Exactly. Even the most ardent fans (I’m looking at allbuffs) are canceling season tickets. How can we expect people to just dump cash into this program right now.
 
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SBP said:
One more thing! RG was the damn recruiting coordinator during our heyday. He was the guy arranging bag men for crying out loud!!
The fact that he is so flat footed NIL makes me sick!!!
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RG wasn’t caught off guard with NIL. He was on the damn committee. He knew exactly what was coming and when. He has been on the record for years talking about the fundamental idea of student athletes getting paid for their NIL and how CU can help them achieve it.

The problem is that he’s talking about legitimate ways business can pay players for appearances, ads, etc (the general “spirit” of NIL), while boosters from big programs are just throwing $3m/year pay to play packages at top players.

We’ve been complaining about CU not having big time boosters for years, long before NIL was a thing. That’s still the biggest hurdle.
 
If the NCAA wouldn't have hosed over Bloom and kept EA from using players likeness in video games, this would have all evolved more naturally and within the NCAA framework, instead the fought it at every turn and when they lost, they just threw up their hands and said have at it.

The only way to fix it now is for Congress to step in and pass some sort of legislation regulating this under the education department.
 
AeroBuff99 said:
If the NCAA wouldn't have hosed over Bloom and kept EA from using players likeness in video games, this would have all evolved more naturally and within the NCAA framework, instead the fought it at every turn and when they lost, they just threw up their hands and said have at it.

The only way to fix it now is for Congress to step in and pass some sort of legislation regulating this under the education department.
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Which is what they are seemingly trying to do

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SEC, Pac-12 commissioners seek NIL help in D.C.

SEC commissioner Greg Sankey and Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff met with U.S. senators on Thursday to ask for legislative help surrounding name, image and likeness policies.
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The Alabaster Yak said:
RG wasn’t caught off guard with NIL. He was on the damn committee. He knew exactly what was coming and when. He has been on the record for years talking about the fundamental idea of student athletes getting paid for their NIL and how CU can help them achieve it.

The problem is that he’s talking about legitimate ways business can pay players for appearances, ads, etc (the general “spirit” of NIL), while boosters from big programs are just throwing $3m/year pay to play packages at top players.

We’ve been complaining about CU not having big time boosters for years, long before NIL was a thing. That’s still the biggest hurdle.
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Andrew Brandt and Tony Dungy agree. I didn't see it exploding like this myself, I think @manhattanbuff was one of the few here who grasped the dimensions this could reach.

 
Jens1893 said:
Andrew Brandt and Tony Dungy agree. I didn't see it exploding like this myself, I think @manhattanbuff was one of the few here who grasped the dimensions this could reach.

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I have a hard time believing Brandt that administrators thought it’d be innocent. Nothing about CFB has been “innocent” in our lifetimes (well maybe DBT’s lifetime), so I don’t see how anyone in the industry could have ever thought that. Maybe they felt it would be regulated and policed more than it has in order to avoid what’s happening, but this had to be in the back of every AD/President/Chancellor mind
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I have a hard time believing Brandt that administrators thought it’d be innocent. Nothing about CFB has been “innocent” in our lifetimes (well maybe DBT’s lifetime), so I don’t see how anyone in the industry could have ever thought that. Maybe they felt it would be regulated and policed more than it has in order to avoid what’s happening, but this had to be in the back of every AD/President/Chancellor mind
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I think you overestimate the intelligence of University Athletics administrators
 
If my memory serves me right (and my memory is sheet so correct me if it's wrong), part of why RG was hired was to do something MB could not, raise money for the Champions Center. He did. I can't help but think the popular consensus that all this is on those above him in the administration is correct.
 
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