To their defense, they've been pretty damn good at football for quite a while. Many of us (me included) have said that all the Buffs need to do is have a competitive football team to be worthy of consideration.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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Agree on why Utah fans are optimistic about inclusion, but they are still a smaller brand than CU, and they share a relatively smaller market with a national program.
Bruh. If you get into Stanford (or an Ivy) you find a way to go. Its the rich kid west coast networking equivalent of Harvard or Princeton. The networking alone can set you up for life after graduation if you utilize it. I love CU but its not that school. Stanford was my daughters number #1 and her application was kept open on deferment until the last day (big pity party that day).
Victory
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Love it. And we’re unofficially back at square 1, June 30th. Pac-12 stays together barring an unlikely B1G invite to a number of P12 schools.
I completely screwed up making my point. What I meant was that at least 95% of kids that get accepted by CU aren't going to get accepted by Stanford.
I wonder how many ucla and usc fans will make the roadie to Rutgers?
That got me thinking, how can the Big dump a school like Rutgers? In that vein, how can super conferences dump any school? It seems to me that if the idea is to have a super marketable package, the stronger a conference is from top to bottom the better.
That got me thinking, how can the Big dump a school like Rutgers? In that vein, how can super conferences dump any school? It seems to me that if the idea is to have a super marketable package, the stronger a conference is from top to bottom the better.
The B1G schools that don't bring extra value are Purdue and Northwestern.
The SEC schools that don't bring extra value are Miss State and Vanderbilt.
By "extra value" I only mean in terms of media contract since they don't deliver an additional market. I do believe there is value in rivalry and regionality.
Not only that, but a lot of the students applying to CU are not looking for the same experience you would get at Stanford.
I will also maintain the opinion that the traditional powers in the SEC and B1G aren't going to like going from 11-12 wins/year to 9-10 wins/year, which is what's going to happen if they only keep expanding with other top programs. There's value in having "get right" programs in the conference, although I don't know if it can be quantified.
OR, maybe Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Ohio State, Michigan, USC, etc are on board with a 9-3 ceiling most years
Chicago isn't a market?
No snark intended, UI is in Champaign further from closer to Bloomington than Chicago, while Wisconsin (Madison) is closer. I always thought NW sat secure with the Chicago area market despite its being private.
There’s CU’s angle in all this - we just need to go 12-0 or 11-1 every year in the Pac6 which should be easier when we get to play Cal twice every year.
The conference gets Chicago without being in Chicago city limits. The B1G gets NYC as a home market due to Rutgers, for example.
Just like how the SEC gets home markets for Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Jacksonville, Birmingham and New Orleans - and would still get Nashville even without Vandy.
I agree about the brand and market issues for Utah. I'm just saying that if the shoe were on the other foot and AllBuffs was AllUtes, we'd be screaming too.
Utah has done everything right.
Success is there and they also rank damn high historically for both FB and MBB.
Fan support is fantastic. Booster and state government support have been great. They continue to grow.
If a flagship AAU in a 2nd tier pro market (NBA & MLS) doesn't make the cut despite having done everything right, I agree that something is broken.
Success is there and they also rank damn high historically for both FB and MBB.
Fan support is fantastic. Booster and state government support have been great. They continue to grow.
If a flagship AAU in a 2nd tier pro market (NBA & MLS) doesn't make the cut despite having done everything right, I agree that something is broken.
Victory
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Interesting, are you sure about that from a network perspective? I thought that the only way you could charge more for the BTN or SECN is by having a school in the Nielsen DMA footprint and then the carrier fee that Comcast, DirecTV, Time Warner, etc has to pay goes from a few cents to a few dollars.
That’s why John Skipper said if you replaced FSU with Colorado the ACC would profit bc they can’t charge much for it in the Denver area right now, but if CU was added to the conference they could.
Positive.
Here's an article about how Rutgers and Maryland delivered in-market rates for BTN in NYC and DC. https://www.landgrantholyland.com/p...t-ohio-state-big-ten-network-maryland-rutgers
The University of Illinois is located in Illinois. Northwestern is located in Chicago, which is a city in in the state of Illinois. Therefore, the B1G does not need a program located in Chicago to capture the Chicago market.
Skippers point with FSU and CU was that the ACC is already getting the Florida carriage fees because of Miami. FSU doesn't add anything for that portion of the revenue. Adding CU would increase the ACC carriage fees because it doesn't currently have the state of Colorado in footprint
Victory
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Fascinating. Especially the part about being able to charge higher ad rates in addition to the higher sub fee. I wonder what the B1G math is on us from a network monetization perspective.
I took your point as "if you really are good enough to get accepted by Stanford, CU is your safety school."
If by ”CU”, you mean “Cal”, then you’re right.
BerkeleyBuff
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Lol. Everyone I graduated with were also accepted to Stanford or an Ivy and chose Cal.
BerkeleyBuff
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Snark from the person who graduated from neither one. Pure gold.
*Edit: Apologies if my reply came across rude. I've had a rough morning (hurt my back while slipping on the ice covered stairs), but that's admittedly no excuse. I've spent time at both institutions (two years fellowship at Stanford after my masters at CU). Had opportunity for PhD at Stanford or Cal. Chose Cal. Higher ranked program, much better culture (although they each have their issues there), and better networking for sure (I think some people are surprised by this, but Cal is simply a much larger school with a far more extensive alumni network). Similar story for everyone in my program (incoming class of 34 if I remember correctly).
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Market matters in linear TV and cable subscriber fees, especially since non sports watchers are subsidizing sports through cable bundles.
Brand and actual viewers matter much more with streaming.
The next decade will see a shift from the old (linear and cable packages) into the new (streaming and a la carte). How quickly that shift occurs is the question.
It’s nothing if not consistent.
Victory
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Rant: Pissed at how the media, especially those covering the Pac-12, will refuse to say anything positive about CU. I’ve never seen any of these jokers make an argument as to why:
1) CU is better off in the P12
2) P12 will greatly benefit from CU
3) Could eventually be a candidate for the B1G or SEC
Even the damn Commish Kliavkoff said the Deion hire was big for negotiations. The lack of interest in Colorado from its own media members (Wilner, Canzano, Mandel, etc) has fueled the “CU to the B12” nonsense we keep seeing.
Who do we always see with upward mobility? Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal, and now Utah. Are we f’ing invisible? Because we’re not in that group from our own conference writers, we look like easy pickens.
Arizona, I get it. They are openly campaigning for the B12. But Colorado isn’t and I’d argue we’re at the center of the whole B12 misinformation coverage. We are who they want most.
I get it, we sucked. It will officially be past tense in a few months. But here we are about to clean up in tv ratings for these ungrateful b***** at a time when ratings are everything and they’re like “Utah doesn’t want to sign a long term GoR but eh, let’s assume Colorado goes to the B12”.
I’m not saying I want the B12 as a result. Opposite. But I’m also saying I can’t wait to say peace
to the P12 just for this very reason. Spiteful? Petty? Yes, 100%.
1) CU is better off in the P12
2) P12 will greatly benefit from CU
3) Could eventually be a candidate for the B1G or SEC
Even the damn Commish Kliavkoff said the Deion hire was big for negotiations. The lack of interest in Colorado from its own media members (Wilner, Canzano, Mandel, etc) has fueled the “CU to the B12” nonsense we keep seeing.
Who do we always see with upward mobility? Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal, and now Utah. Are we f’ing invisible? Because we’re not in that group from our own conference writers, we look like easy pickens.
Arizona, I get it. They are openly campaigning for the B12. But Colorado isn’t and I’d argue we’re at the center of the whole B12 misinformation coverage. We are who they want most.
I get it, we sucked. It will officially be past tense in a few months. But here we are about to clean up in tv ratings for these ungrateful b***** at a time when ratings are everything and they’re like “Utah doesn’t want to sign a long term GoR but eh, let’s assume Colorado goes to the B12”.
I’m not saying I want the B12 as a result. Opposite. But I’m also saying I can’t wait to say peace
to the P12 just for this very reason. Spiteful? Petty? Yes, 100%.
FIFY
Opinion: Making Sense Of The Latest Pac-12 Negotiation Rumors
It's been a busy few weeks regarding the Pac-12 negotiation rumors. Let's try to make some sense of it together.
kslsports.com
Pro PAC12 article.
Good read out of SLC.
Disluke for apologizing.