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2023 Transfer Portal

If Hammond leaves, we need 2 guards, preferably pgs - 1 MUST be a pg. The other can be a true sg, or the dreaded combo guard.
Why not a dreaded point guard? I thought Campbell was a very good college player.

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Now do it for dRtg and tell me anyone in the convo is even close to LL.
They don't have that on KenPom for individuals. At least not that I could find (seems like they used to).

Anyway, Sports-Reference does do Win Shares and Box Plus-Minus. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/colorado/men/2023.html

Here's where everyone ranked:

Win Shares (this gets influenced a lot by the number of minutes someone played)

1. TDS at 4.4 (1.9 for Defensive Win Shares)
2. KJ at 3.1 (1.7 DWS)
3. LOB at 2.4 (1.4 DWS)
4. Hadley at 2.0 (1.1 DWS)
5. Hammond at 1.7 (1.1 DWS)
6. Lovering at 1.6 (1.4 DWS)
7. Ruffin at 1.3 (0.7 DWS)
8. Wright at 1.3 (0.9 DWS)
9. Gabbidon at 1.1 (0.8 DWS)
10. Nique at 1.0 (1.4 DWS - his OWS was negative 0.4)
11. Allen at 0.0 (0.1 DWS)

Win Share Per 40 Minutes (this didn't have defense broken out, but follows the numbers above & equalizes PT)
1. TDS at .164
2. Ruffin at .151
3. Hadley at .143
4. KJ at .136
5. LOB at .130
6. Wright at .096
7. Gabbidon at .095
8. Hammond at .094
9. Lovering at .081
10. Nique at .053
11. Allen at .044

Box Plus Minus (whether the offense and defense performed better or worse when a player was in the game)
1. TDS at 7.1 (2.2 DBPM)
2. Ruffin at 5.7 (3.3 DBPM)
3. KJ at 4.9 (2.3 DBPM)
4. Hadley at 4.9 (3.1 DBPM)
5. LOB at 4.1 (2.9 DBPM)
6. Wright at 2.7 (2.5 DBPM)
7. Hammond at 2.0 (2.1 DBPM)
8. Gabbidon at 1.8 (3.3 DBPM)
9. Allen at 1.6 (2.2 DBPM)
10. Lovering at 0.8 (3.1 DBPM)
11. Nique at 0.0 (2.4 DBPM)

Overall, these data also point to the 5 guys leaving the program being the 5 worst performers on the roster (it's close - Wright may rate a bit better than Hammond). Defensively, though, it's a different story. If we look at Defensive BPM then guys like Gabbidon and Lovering become Top 3 players. And on Defensive Win Shares, Lovering and Nique are in a 3-way tie for 3rd on the team.

That's the best I can do with a defensive focus on Advanced Stats. On the Lovering question, it looks like the answer is that his defensive impact was not great enough to overcome the negative impact he had on the offense. Nique similar but even worse since his defense wasn't impactful and his offense was worse than LL's.
 
They don't have that on KenPom for individuals. At least not that I could find (seems like they used to).

Anyway, Sports-Reference does do Win Shares and Box Plus-Minus. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/colorado/men/2023.html

Here's where everyone ranked:

Win Shares (this gets influenced a lot by the number of minutes someone played)

1. TDS at 4.4 (1.9 for Defensive Win Shares)
2. KJ at 3.1 (1.7 DWS)
3. LOB at 2.4 (1.4 DWS)
4. Hadley at 2.0 (1.1 DWS)
5. Hammond at 1.7 (1.1 DWS)
6. Lovering at 1.6 (1.4 DWS)
7. Ruffin at 1.3 (0.7 DWS)
8. Wright at 1.3 (0.9 DWS)
9. Gabbidon at 1.1 (0.8 DWS)
10. Nique at 1.0 (1.4 DWS - his OWS was negative 0.4)
11. Allen at 0.0 (0.1 DWS)

Win Share Per 40 Minutes (this didn't have defense broken out, but follows the numbers above & equalizes PT)
1. TDS at .164
2. Ruffin at .151
3. Hadley at .143
4. KJ at .136
5. LOB at .130
6. Wright at .096
7. Gabbidon at .095
8. Hammond at .094
9. Lovering at .081
10. Nique at .053
11. Allen at .044

Box Plus Minus (whether the offense and defense performed better or worse when a player was in the game)
1. TDS at 7.1 (2.2 DBPM)
2. Ruffin at 5.7 (3.3 DBPM)
3. KJ at 4.9 (2.3 DBPM)
4. Hadley at 4.9 (3.1 DBPM)
5. LOB at 4.1 (2.9 DBPM)
6. Wright at 2.7 (2.5 DBPM)
7. Hammond at 2.0 (2.1 DBPM)
8. Gabbidon at 1.8 (3.3 DBPM)
9. Allen at 1.6 (2.2 DBPM)
10. Lovering at 0.8 (3.1 DBPM)
11. Nique at 0.0 (2.4 DBPM)

Overall, these data also point to the 5 guys leaving the program being the 5 worst performers on the roster (it's close - Wright may rate a bit better than Hammond). Defensively, though, it's a different story. If we look at Defensive BPM then guys like Gabbidon and Lovering become Top 3 players. And on Defensive Win Shares, Lovering and Nique are in a 3-way tie for 3rd on the team.

That's the best I can do with a defensive focus on Advanced Stats. On the Lovering question, it looks like the answer is that his defensive impact was not great enough to overcome the negative impact he had on the offense. Nique similar but even worse since his defense wasn't impactful and his offense was worse than LL's.
Nique's offense being worse than LL makes the fact we won as many games as we did even more amazing.
 
Why not a dreaded point guard? I thought Campbell was a very good college player.
I'm guessing you meant combo guard - but I can't find anywhere that lists him as anything other than a true PG, which is how he plays.

And for the record, I'd trade any player on the current roster, and maybe 2, for a pg like him.
 
In that timeline, the only guys who might fit that description are Parquet, Kountz and Namon Wright. I wouldn't call any of them a waste of a scholarship.
Yaz, Gattling, Maddox Daniels.

The response was to @BIGEZ321 and his "FAU plays 5 combo guards, thus they must be the best EVER".

We have had, at best, mixed luck with 1 or 2 on the roster.
 
Yaz, Gattling, Maddox Daniels.

The response was to @BIGEZ321 and his "FAU plays 5 combo guards, thus they must be the best EVER".

We have had, at best, mixed luck with 1 or 2 on the roster.
I didn't know whether to call Gattling and Daniels combo guards. Heck, I didn't know if the guys I listed for recent years really fit. Where Tad has not been good has been with bringing in SGs to be 3 & D guards, whether as preps or transfers. I'm opposed to recruiting traditional SGs and much prefer combo guards who have PG skill sets, but maybe not PG mentality. I think Del Brown and Dom could also be called CGs, especially Dom since he played both PG and SG while he was here. I don't know what to call Yaz, but I think he was recruited to be a PG here.

Anyway, to the post you were responding to, I think FAU's base this year is 1C-4G and it looked to me like the G positions are pretty much interchangeable. All 4 can shoot and also initiate the offense as the guy who brought the ball up the court. Interesting team.
 
I didn't know whether to call Gattling and Daniels combo guards. Heck, I didn't know if the guys I listed for recent years really fit. Where Tad has not been good has been with bringing in SGs to be 3 & D guards, whether as preps or transfers. I'm opposed to recruiting traditional SGs and much prefer combo guards who have PG skill sets, but maybe not PG mentality. I think Del Brown and Dom could also be called CGs, especially Dom since he played both PG and SG while he was here. I don't know what to call Yaz, but I think he was recruited to be a PG here.

Anyway, to the post you were responding to, I think FAU's base this year is 1C-4G and it looked to me like the G positions are pretty much interchangeable. All 4 can shoot and also initiate the offense as the guy who brought the ball up the court. Interesting team.
I guess I count anyone who regularly plays as both PG and SG as a combo guard.
 
I guess I count anyone who regularly plays as both PG and SG as a combo guard.
We haven't had much of that, then.

We seem to sign a lot more Wings (SG/SF hybrid) than Combo Guards (SG/PG hybrid).

I'm a fan of CGs. Heck, Spencer played off the ball as a freshman since Nate was running the point. I think it's very advantageous to have guys who can do that or for guys who weren't natural PGs (i.e., Ski) to be able to take on that role at times. I'm hoping that RJ Smith can be that type of CG player. Ideally Courtney Anderson is also a CG and not a pure SG.
 
Looks like Knecht has one season of eligibility left. Interesting that he went the juco route out of HS attending Northeastern Junior College in Sterling for 2 seasons before moving onto UNC.

Watching his highlights, looks like he could be a 3 level scorer at CU, although I didn't get a complete sense of his mid-range game. Wonder how well he defends? :)
 
Why not a dreaded point guard? I thought Campbell was a very good college player.

I'm guessing you meant needs a comb guard - but I can't find anywhere that lists him as anything other than a true PG, which is how he plays.

And for the record, I'd trade any player on the current roster, and maybe 2, for a pg like him.
FIFY again
 
Yaz, Gattling, Maddox Daniels.

The response was to @BIGEZ321 and his "FAU plays 5 combo guards, thus they must be the best EVER".

We have had, at best, mixed luck with 1 or 2 on the roster.
Best ever??? Stop it.

I just see a lot of posters screaming for a true point guard. I'm just pointing out success can come in many different ways.

FAU uses quick guards that can drive, finish, kick and shoot.

Gonzaga uses its perimeter length and interior prowess. They dont have a true Star PG like UCLA or KState.

But, perhaps in this Tad offense, it requires a True PG. I can see that argument. But I'd rather have more players that can create offense in general.
 
I am interested to see what RJ Smith brings to the table. Heard he's a shooter and defender, but wonder if he has the handles and speed to run point.

And I wanted to add that I'm really sad Nique never developed here. Seems like a great guy. Best of luck!
 
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My gut reaction when I see "combo guard" is a guy that doesn't have the ball skills or mentality to be a true point guard and doesn't shoot well enough to be considered a shooting guard.
I think of Spencer Dinwiddie and how he plays both off the ball and sometimes as the primary ball handler depending on lineup and sets.

He can focus on getting the team into offense and setting the table for others or be called on to be a catch & shoot guy.
 
Sounds like Tad was as shocked as anyone that LL entered the portal. This is a strange one indeed.
 
My gut reaction when I see "combo guard" is a guy that doesn't have the ball skills or mentality to be a true point guard and doesn't shoot well enough to be considered a shooting guard.
Me too. Unless it's someone like Cade Cunningham, Jalen Suggs, Amari Bailey, or Ja Morant.
 
Sounds like Tad was as shocked as anyone that LL entered the portal. This is a strange one indeed.
I think it was the Rooney story the other day that had Tad saying he was surprised, and down in the dumps for 24 hours.

I'm pretty bummed he's leaving. I think most followers of the team had him developing, making steady progress, and becoming a factor as an upperclassman, which he was doing. Pre-portal, it always seemed like folks would turn on the teevee during March Madness, and there'd be a tall, rangey, senior for, say (dating myself here), University of Northern Iowa, who had presence in the middle. Swatting balls away, with a decent scoring threat around the rim. And everyone would say, "Who the hell is that guy?" With more work, that's what I see Lovering becoming. Unfortunately, it'll be somewhere else.
 
I think of Spencer Dinwiddie and how he plays both off the ball and sometimes as the primary ball handler depending on lineup and sets.

He can focus on getting the team into offense and setting the table for others or be called on to be a catch & shoot guy.

Me too. Unless it's someone like Cade Cunningham, Jalen Suggs, Amari Bailey, or Ja Morant.
There is a point when the guy is talented enough that I think that he could actually do either job well, but we aren't typically in the running for them.
 
There is a point when the guy is talented enough that I think that he could actually do either job well, but we aren't typically in the running for them.
On average, we're going to add 3 guys a year. That should be a guard, a wing and a forward. Considering that wings can handle a bit and both our wings & forwards should be shooters, I'd definitely shade the guard signings towards PG skills rather than SG skills.
 
I think it was the Rooney story the other day that had Tad saying he was surprised, and down in the dumps for 24 hours.

I'm pretty bummed he's leaving. I think most followers of the team had him developing, making steady progress, and becoming a factor as an upperclassman, which he was doing. Pre-portal, it always seemed like folks would turn on the teevee during March Madness, and there'd be a tall, rangey, senior for, say (dating myself here), University of Northern Iowa, who had presence in the middle. Swatting balls away, with a decent scoring threat around the rim. And everyone would say, "Who the hell is that guy?" With more work, that's what I see Lovering becoming. Unfortunately, it'll be somewhere else.
First ever returning starter tad has lost to transfer. And it was a surprise. It's gotta mess with him
 
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