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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread

Medford M. said:
I’m just not sure how you play the race angle when Ward and Milroe are black, and Gabriel is poly.
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Let me help you out.

This guy...

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...was a rich racist who only viewed one of these guys as a problem.

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AeroBuff99 said:
Rumor is Jimmy Haslam forced the Sanders pick. If true the GM and coach are skating on thin ice. Not good if the owner is questioning WTF you are doing.
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It also means SS is going into training camp dead last in the pecking order. Neither the GM nor the coach will want to be proven wrong. Sinking someone's abiliuty to make the team is very easy. Just limit snaps. Personally, I think this is the worst possible outcome for SS other than getting drafted by the Giants or Jets.
 
hokiehead said:
Reflecting on the theory that SS's drop was due to the NFL teams colluding due to a rascism intent, I guess that's possible, but I think there are other explanations.

Seems to me there's a good chance that these GMs, without collusion, started seeing his draft stock fall rapidly and correspondingly adopted the strategy of "let's wait until it starts to plateau." I liken this to a Wall Street trader watching a company's stock free fall but waiting until it gets close to the perceived low rather than buy earlier at a higher price.

I don't claim to know anything, I'm just suggesting there's explanations that fit at least as well as colluding malice.
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They didn’t pass him due to any racist intent. The majority of the league is black.
 
GRM said:
On the one hand it can be said that the NFL establishment are idiots with no clue, but on the other hand, I think projecting an NFL QB (whatever round) is a very inexact science. It is a huge jump from college into the NFL. Who is entering year 4 with a 4-2 playoff record? Brock Purdy, Mr. Irrelevant. If all of PB's play-makers did not get hurt, they could have been in the playoff hunt last year. It is not just the playoff record, but that is 6 games in the playoffs.
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NFL game is on a different mental level. Every team has athletes at every position.

In college you see teams like Ohio State who have WRs that consistently get open by 10 plus yards. QB just has to wait and chuck it up there.

In the pros QB has to read pre-snap, read at the snap, throw to a window before it opens and get the ball there before it closes.

A lot of big, strong armed, mobile QBs have been drafted and were forgotten about 3-4 years later.
 
MtnBuff said:
This might be a time when the owner stepping in and forcing a pick may be the right thing.

If Haslam told them, "This team has sucked for years and we just earned the #2 pick in the draft by being terrible. You think the answer to our QB situation is Joe Flacco on his last legs and a midget you reached for in the 3rd round that nobody else had rated higher than the 6th. I don't care if you think he is entitled or are afraid of his dad or any of the other garbage, there is a 1st round talent on the board and we are taking him, make it work or I will find people who can." then he did the right thing.

Shedeur has proven he can play and he has proven he will work. Browns coaches didn't have close to a better answer.
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I think Dillan Gabriel would prefer “Little Person.”
 
This drama was fun to follow. I would still rather lay in my bed and stare at the ceiling than watch an NFL game. If he ends up having a good NFL career they better make some documentary about all these shenanigans
 
DBT said:
They didn’t pass him due to any racist intent. The majority of the league is black.
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Yes ... but I know we're both old enough to remember the days when the league had plenty of black players at WR, RB, and the other "skilled positions" ... but you could count the number of black starting QBs on one or two fingers. There was a reason for that, and it's why Warren Moon started his pro-career in the CFL.
 
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hokiehead said:
Reflecting on the theory that SS's drop was due to the NFL teams colluding due to a rascism intent, I guess that's possible, but I think there are other explanations.

Seems to me there's a good chance that these GMs, without collusion, started seeing his draft stock fall rapidly and correspondingly adopted the strategy of "let's wait until it starts to plateau." I liken this to a Wall Street trader watching a company's stock free fall but waiting until it gets close to the perceived low rather than buy earlier at a higher price.

I don't claim to know anything, I'm just suggesting there's explanations that fit at least as well as colluding malice.
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Is it a coincidence that NFL Media's final draft story was a total attack on SS and little else, 1 day before the draft. Or was that a "call to arms" for the GMs?
 
Tatanka™ said:
Let me help you out.

This guy...

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...was a rich racist who only viewed one of these guys as a problem.

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You guys are trying to make this something it isn’t.

Being unapologetically black isn’t an excuse to (allegedly) take zoom calls in interviews, not take interviews seriously in general, not study what coaches have you to prepare for a whiteboard session.

If anything, Shedeur suffered from having too many things going on his life (WOM, Legendary, draft prep), and he didn’t focus on the important one.
 
Congrats Shedeur. Obviously not what you were hoping or expecting but I think you will come out of this all well.

Not thrilled about buying the ugliest jersey of all time though.
 
Medford M. said:
You guys are trying to make this something it isn’t.

Being unapologetically black isn’t an excuse to (allegedly) take zoom calls in interviews, not take interviews seriously in general, not study what coaches have you to prepare for a whiteboard session.

If anything, Shedeur suffered from having too many things going on his life (WOM, Legendary, draft prep), and he didn’t focus on the important one.
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If the lack of prep stories are all true, they sure cost him a lot of $$ over the next 4 yrs…..

Happy he did land somewhere though.
 
Robert Sorell said:
Again a sharp, and largely useless binary.

I agree that if Shedeur was an undeniably great prospect, 6'3" 230, ran a 4.6 40, had an absolute cannon, and walked away with the Heisman, none of it would matter.

Baker had as big or bigger questions about his size and decision making than Shedeur.

One draft profile of Baker:

The Heisman doesn't erase that, if anything Baker was seen more as the stereotypical great for college, but that Heisman means jack for his pro prospects kind of QB.

It's just as silly to ignore race as a factor, as it is to ignore the injury history, tendency to take sacks, lack of elite arm strength, and size for Shedeur.

Nothing is the sole factor, but most of things being brought up are factors.
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K. Ndamukong Suh The brashest asshat of them all. Picked #2.

It has to be more than Shedeur’s personality as a black man.
 
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