The lower finishes seem like mostly injury related.
Spencer knee
J Scott's back
KJ illness & injury/ TDS injury
We probably benefited most years from Stanford being picked way too high, too.
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24-25 MBB Team
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Spencer knee
J Scott's back
KJ illness & injury/ TDS injury
We probably benefited most years from Stanford being picked way too high, too.
Buffsbball
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And every year the media thinking Bobby Hurley was his brother and that Tad isn’t 10-5 over his career against Bobby. Looks like the Big 12 is falling for his big name recruits just like the Pac did.
Buffsbball
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How Bangot Dak is preparing for a sophomore year leap at Colorado
Colorado forward Bangot Dak has always had the pieces to be more than just a star on the basketball court but has yet to put it all together. While he still has a ways to go, Dak and the Colorado coaching staff spent this offseason in preparation for a breakout sophomore campaign.
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Fun article. Battey helping Dak with his jumpshot and specifically his follow through. Battey was really speaking glowingly of Dak's ability. Sounds like Tad's really challenging him.
Thanks for all the info. I'l stick to my original assessment that Tad's teams are typically underrated. Based on the data, CU will finish around 11th-12th which still isn't great. I'd like to see them finish middle of the pack which would be pretty solid in this conference especially with a team that lost 3 to the NBA.
Yes, Tad is an excellent coach. His teams are prepared. However, he has never had a team void of a true leader, no player to go to in crunch time, no true scorer and every player on the roster is raw and unproven. I think the recruits Tad has coming in next year and with this years team a year older, next year they can win 15 or more games. This year I would not be surprised if the win total is between 4-10 games, the talent and experience just aren't there. If they win 8+ it is on the shoulders of Tad's coaching. There is a what if. What if the Baskin and Malone ball out and are 100% ready for this level - that changes everything
Look at the backcourts of every other team in the conference. Seriously. Take an honest look at what we'll see night in and night out. That's where we're going to have problems. Our ceiling is 12th if things fall into place. If not, we'll be in a 4-way fight for dead last with UU, OSU and ASU.
we can agree to disagree here. I've heard a lot of positive things about our incoming players. Tad has never finished last. It's not happening this year.
Buffsbball
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Reminder to everyone BYU was picked 13th out of 14th last year preseason in their first big 12 season and finished 5th and was a 6 seed in the tourney. UCF in their first big 12 season last season was picked dead last finished 12th out of 14th and made the NIT. The teams that finished 9-11 were all the the NCAA bubble. Oklahoma, Cincy, and Kansas State.
Crazy enough with the expanded league I think if we finish top 12 we have a great chance at the tourney. I wouldn't be shocked if 12-14 got NIT bids. This ain't the PAC. All of our losses will be good losses in league.
Crazy enough with the expanded league I think if we finish top 12 we have a great chance at the tourney. I wouldn't be shocked if 12-14 got NIT bids. This ain't the PAC. All of our losses will be good losses in league.
MaybeaBuff
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4 wins, come on. There was a previous post in this thread about how levels actually compare. So you saying CU is only capable of 4 wins is like saying they'd finish middle of the pack in the RMAC or worse. Mines, CMU, Fort Lewis are annually dodged by the likes of Big Sky and MWC schools because of a real chance to lose. Last year Metro who was only middle of the pack in the RMAC was not slaughtered by the 26 win CU squad, I believe it was a 20 point game, and that was after playing the previous evening in Laramie. CU will probably not win the BIG 12, they probably won't be last either. Most likely somewhere between 6 and 12. Which should get them in at minimum to the NIT. They have talent and capability. Give the sky is falling rhetoric a break already. You most likely don't know much about any of the guys other than what you might have seen in the past with the returning roster guys. They will step up and fill roles exited by departing guys. New guys will also fill roles. Until they actually start playing games it is impossible to know with any level of certainty what CU will be so until that point, you don't know dinky doo.
Hey Kool-Aid.... I didn't say they would only win 4 games. I said I wouldn't be surprised if they won between 4-10 games. They lost all 5 starters, and over 90% of scoring, assists, and rebounds, let that sink in and marinate. The leadership is gone, no proven scorers and very few upper classmen. the entire roster in raw and unknown with no go to players when you absolutely need a bucket. That is scary. You can dream of an elite 8 if you want to this years team, but the chances of having a winning record are very low. This is probably the least talented team Tad has ever had, absolutely in terms of experience. Significantly worse than the 2014 team which won 16 games and the 2017 team which won 17 games. In order for this team to win 15 games, so many things have to happen:
- NAIA player needs to step up several levels and produce
- Division II player needs to step up levels and produce
- The two sophomore bigs need to have monumental jumps in their ability
- PG play has to develop and improve significantly
- Are the SG's able to defend on the perimeter? Can they shoot from three at this level with better players defending them?
- There is no true Center
- There is no one on the team that previously showed leadership qualities
I have very little doubt that Tad will exceed expectations. I also think that barring a miracle at the PG position, exceeding expectations means “10th to 14th”.
I am VERY concerned about the ESPN+ effect. It is great for the diehards. It is potential death for us in the national narrative. Barring a team that is special, we’re going to get even less attention than we did in the P12.
I am VERY concerned about the ESPN+ effect. It is great for the diehards. It is potential death for us in the national narrative. Barring a team that is special, we’re going to get even less attention than we did in the P12.
I will bet you any amount you choose the Buffs do not finish higher than 11th.
MaybeaBuff
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100% Negative. This is the same reality most teams in the Big 12 are facing this year. Unproven talent at the elite level of college basketball with high turnover.
Most of the teams in the Big 12 had massive roster turnover so most of the teams are in a gray area. CU is in the same boat, they will find thier way.
Malone is a True center 6'10" 270lbs doesn't equate to much else. He's good back to the basket and can stick the three. From what I've seen on this site most people would say he's a step up from Eddie. Everyone gets hung up on levels. There is not a a distinct difference between mid level DI and High Level DII. So if everyone is swinging on Zeke Mayo coming from South Dakota State (From the Juggernaut Summit League) to Kansas, why not swing on Baskin. Though not with this team, Malone and Baskin probably had big leadership roles with their previous teams. Leadership is leadership it can carry over. Jakimovski is a proven DI forward who can probably contribute more than he did at WSU. I think he's pretty good. Big jumps usually take place from Freshmen to Sophomore campaigns. Diop and Dang should be improved. Lots of people on this site are extremely down on the guard play at CU. When different expectations and playing time are put on people many times they develop and rise to the occasion. More is being asked of Hammond, Ruffin, Smith, etc. My bet is they step up and meet the challenge and have solid, if not good years. I never said elite 8 any where, but I think they have an above .500 season and make it to post season somewhere.
MaybeaBuff
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Well, 11 is between 6 and 12. So we agree.
Okay, you get 6-11. I'll take 12-16. How 'bout it?
MaybeaBuff
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I'm truly not much of a gambler, but we could do a Trading Places wager. If you're old enough to know what that is. If not you'll have to sit through an Eddie Murphy movie to find out.
Considering the returning production and no additions from million dollar transfers or McD AAs and then comparing that to the rest of the Big 12, I'd pick CU last too. But with how familiar as I am with how Tad always seems to find a way when he's had a squad that lacks firepower, I'm confident we'll be better than expected.
Robert Sorell
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I'm confident we'll be close in a lot of games. The W/L is going to come down to how clutch the three transfers are, and if anyone proves to be a good lead guard.
I know it. In fact, I was Director of Cultural Activities at the Haile Selassie Pavilion. Do you remember the pavilion? We had big fun there.
MaybeaBuff
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Then some beef jerky and a dollar.
MaybeaBuff
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That wager would require a face to face meeting though.
says he is also helping him with his handles and dribble drive gameHow Bangot Dak is preparing for a sophomore year leap at Colorado
Colorado forward Bangot Dak has always had the pieces to be more than just a star on the basketball court but has yet to put it all together. While he still has a ways to go, Dak and the Colorado coaching staff spent this offseason in preparation for a breakout sophomore campaign.
Fun article. Battey helping Dak with his jumpshot and specifically his follow through. Battey was really speaking glowingly of Dak's ability. Sounds like Tad's really challenging him.
Battey Crossover
Posting this as a new thread so it's easy for me to find whenever I need to put myself into my happy place.
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MaybeaBuff
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Well, I’ll be at the scrimmage tomorrow. At least it seems we have similar interest in movies.
This might be the most tad ball year of all time.
I could definitely see playing an average game in the 60s to keep opponents within range and just try to get more stops than they do the final 10 minutes.
Julian had a TORate of 23.0. Ruffin was 28.1. For this to work we’re going to need stability and calmness at PG.
Broken record and all but so much of this comes down to PG play.
If they don't figure it out, I can't imagine how bad of a bloodbath it's going be against that swarming Houston defense. Could be down by 20 in the first 8 minutes against them. And it's not like no one else in the Big 12 brings a lot of ball pressure. I hope Tad's got them working against overplays and constant fouling/ physicality to get into the offense, because if we can't handle that it will be a very long season.
They need to be practicing five on seven for a bit.