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Verbal to other '25 MI QB Bryce Underwood
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Staub is not what you want if you have ideas of being a top program but I watch a lot of college football and there are a lot of BCS level programs, including P4 programs that are playing guys who aren't as good as he is.
That said I'd be happy to have him as our backup but we need somebody who can be a difference maker against top defenses when we need it.
My stance on Staub has been well documented on here. I like the dude. That said, Staub is not the guy who's going to keep this thing going to the next level. I guarantee he knows this as well.
Medford M.
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This is my thoughts exactly. Surrounded by talent, he'd be perfectly adequate as a starter.
He's not high level though. You're not going to win 8, 9, 10 games with him.
GRM
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Slow day on the board. Presuming Staub has been positively progressing with CU's systems and coaches, I have no problem keeping him on board and giving him a shot. He has had a great opportunity to learn with valuable reps. Certainly, he is no SS or 5* guy, but experience and familiarity count for something. I would not send him packing, just for the sake of a "signing splash" requiring sending out a Blue Blood high school recruit, as a true frosh game 1. Staub might stay compete and win the job. In his debut @UU he gave an admirable effort. The other QB's CU has brought in can do similar. We just have to see how things transpire.
If Staub grows to 6'2" he is as tall as Bo Nix, both over 200 pounds. I wondered about Nix as a comparison, but he was the #2 Dual Threat heading into college, so no comparison there. However, I think it was Nix's ability to learn is what put him into the 1st round and has him starting on Sundays. He starred at OR because since they surrounded him with talent. If Staub has playmaking talent around him and a running game, he might be fine.
At Boise St., Madsen beat out "all world" USC transfer Malachi Nelson and they have not looked back. Depending on how things look next year, CU's offense may be different (Loadholt will bring in run blockers) with the team showcasing an even stronger defense. A good experienced QB surrounded by great weapons, can improve from an average QB to awesome, without all the growing pains of a True-Frosh. As Indiana, they are somehow undefeated but their QB had 30 games under belt before transferring.
It is a steep learning curve for True Fosh QBs. However, you can sometimes find a Cam Newton (CC) or Jamies Winston. The norm is tough sledding . At kNU, Raiola "Mahomes Jr." (5* 99 rating) over his last 4 games has thrown 1TD, 6Ints, lost who knows how many fumbles, and has a QBR under 40. Last 2 games at home, his QBR of 10.9 against UCLA almost doubled his memorable Rutgers outing of 5.9. Ironically, his beat game of the 4 was against Ohio State. Steep learning curve for those True Frosh, and now he is banged up. Staub could be a good guy to allow that 5* to season under, until that guy is ready. Also, there are no shortages of transfer QBs, Cade McNamara is ranked the worst!, but others have found success--see Indiana.
Look at QB1 of the top 6-10 programs. Outside of Indiana and BYU, they were/are all high profile P4 transfers or blue chip recruits. Granted, none are True Freshman, which is why I maintain that even if they sign Juju, they will be looking to add a high profile transfer.
But it's not like we haven't seen guys like Lawrence, Caleb and other 5* types be pretty great as freshmen.
Very true, but we need to keep in mind that Juju reclassified. He'll be a True Freshman when he should be a Senior in HS and he's already an undersized QB as is. I simply don't see us putting all the 2025 season eggs in that basket.
It's what will happen if he signs. I know we are in the game now on NIL, but we're not in a position to sign a 5* QB and also sign a top transfer QB. In fact, in this era it may be impossible to do that for anyone because the expectation is to both get top dollar and to play. I don't think you're going to see many more cases like Stroud behind Fields, Tua behind Jalen or Arch behind Ewers. Our situation next year is hopefully a 5* recruit with Staub needing to be a reliable option in case of injury or erratic freshman play (especially for that GA Tech opener we need a viable vet option).
I don't think you pay a kid $6M in NIL (or whatever the price war is at now) to sit and watch Staub or a Mid transfer QB. My guess would be CP bringing in a decent transfer and let the QB competition settle itself with a lean towards Juju. It is going to be a tough sell to a quality transfer QB (and starter elsewhere) to see his graduate season as a potential backup to a top rated freshmen.
Isn't that what happened with the Nubs once they got the commitment from Raiola? All their vet QBs left for opportunity to play and they didn't bring in anyone significant.
Ohio State has two 5* recruits in their QB room who haven't played a down and watched them bring in Will Howard this offseason and didn't leave. Alabama has multiple 4 and 5* QBs backing up Milroe and you know it took them a haul to keep Milroe this year. Nico Iamaleava sat for a full season at Tennessee before taking over.
There aren't many top programs out there that are starting True Freshman QBs, regardless of their rating or how much they are paying them. They are all starting veteran guys/transfers while still bringing in elite prospects. Respectfully, I don't think anyone on this board truly knows what position we are in when it comes to $$ for players and how they are structuring some of these deals, and I think there is far more precedent that they will go after both a 5* freshman AND a upper tier transfer.
All Tua did as a true freshman was win the CFP championship game.
I hope what CU can offer is as appealing as Alabama and Ohio State.
Just a few examples from programs that Prime is looking to compete with. Here are the top 20 QBs from the 2024 cycle. Outside of Raiola, who from this list was brought in to start from day one? All of these programs pretty much had transfers or entrenched starters that they surely had to pay to come/stay.
This is where I am at with Staub. He is good enough to be a qualified P4 starter. If your team has 8 win talent he can win 8 games.
Where the issue comes in is if you have 10+ win talent he isn't going to win you 10+ games. To get to the levels where you are in playoff contention you are going to have at least a couple of games against top talent teams where your QB has to be a difference maker. Guys like Shedeur can make their teammates better when it matters.
There are a lot of guys out there who have big arms, mobility, running ability, etc. The difference though is that to win a championship you need a guy who not only has the physical tools but also the mental make-up to make the right plays when it matters in the games when it is needed.
For a team with high expectations a guy like Staub could be a great back-up. He's a guy who could come in a play a half or even 2-3 games and give your team a chance to win. He isn't a guy though who is going to elevate a team from 9 wins to a playoff.
Fair. Lagway, but injured.
My point is limited to 5* recruits. Signing a 4* isn't the same dynamic. There are a lot of 4* QBs every year.
GRM
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Both you guys have very good points. In looking at the list, I think some of it comes down to the size of the True Frosh QB (height, weight) just in terms of the rigors of the college season, step up in competition, and the beating they will take even if the Oline is stellar. Young QB's just get hit, and it is what it is. Raiola is big, but college is a huge jump and beats you down at times. It is good that this is on the Underwood string, as physically he could maybe plug and play for a while, then get through the season with enough wins given the rough patches.
Unfortunately, CU is not a program where we will have two 5*, much less a 5* and touted 4* grooming the bench for a season(s) like they have at Ohio State, Georgia, Bama, or Texas. Trevor Lawrence was a unicorn and Clemson was primed for his arrival, however they were much much further ahead than CU in terms of program progression. TL or Joe Burrow enjoyed the sort of timing Cam Newton had coming to Auburn. However, Prime is making leaps with a new approach... so anything is possible. At the QB position, I hate to see teams put all their apples into one basket, but with NIL, transfer portal etc... that does happen these days.
If you want optimal, I think it is: a big 4-5* HS recruit; a touted transfer with physical upside; and serious consideration into holding onto Staub or another of CU's QBs , if the staff envisions upside/servicable (i.e. I have no clue how Staub, Wade, or Taylor are evaluated at this point) should Plan A not go to accord/be ready or injuries occur. I will say this, if there were a Frosh or transfer to come in to make a splash, I think that they would have to be here for Spring ball then hopefully winning a close competition to start game 1. That means we have enough at the position.
I guess the question I have is, what would Bryce Underwood think about it?
Boulder
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Staub is the type of QB to keep on the roster regardless of who you bring in if they are willing. Familiarity with the staff and playbook mean a lot when a team has to switch to a new QB. Assuming the Buffs get their guy in the portal or from the high school ranks competition for the stater is needed.
For Staub's sake, I hope he transfers so he can play college football. He's not going to start here.
What would be ideal, although very unlikely, imo is a situation like Clemson had Lawrence's freshman year where we have the consistent, reliable upper classman like Kelly Bryant was that can start the year. Give Juju (or whatever 5 star QB we have here) the third series every game and then mix him in as the season progresses to the point where you think he's ready to be the full time guy.
Exactly, we don't lower our standards to sign a 4 start QB.
He's a September birthday, so he's not that young. He was going to be older as a 26 grad, now he's maybe 6 months younger than most of his class.
If JuJu commits to Colorado, he’s an early enrolee and will start vs. GA Tech.
JonSergeantMajor
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Wasn’t Shedeur a 4-star QB coming out of HS?
Obviously, I’d prefer a 5-star, but those rankings can, oftentimes, be very subjective.
Even if you don’t think that they are, 5-star QBs are successful less than 50% of the time.
If we don’t get JuJu, I’m fine with Coach Prime getting a starter via the Portal and then getting a 3-4 star that fits the offense that we can develop along the way.
A rookie 5-star QB is the answer almost 0% of the time, so I wouldn’t focus too much on it if we can’t get JuJu.
So, we all agree, stars don’t matter. Amirite?