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Adams promoted to Co-OC, Chiaverini to call plays

4BienemyTDs said:
There is a lot of concern over the experience of DC and KA as OC's and there is an opportunity to hire one of the true College Football Offensive Innovators of our time and to take all of his knowledge and experience and to teach these young guys, and that is a crazy idea? Instead, let them come up with some of their own random ideas and let's see what happens? Good thing it does not work at Oklahoma, Penn State, West Virginia, Washington State, etc...
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The only one of those schools somewhat close to the Hal Mumme version is Washington State.

Air Raid football is mostly losing football, especially with a suspect defense.
 
Duff Man said:
Air Raid football is mostly losing football, especially with a suspect defense.
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This is my view.

Air Raid football lets a school that can't recruit have a shot at winning some games and pulling off some upsets. Leach has done that a couple of places that weren't going to win otherwise, some others have as well.

Nobody though has won big with it and when you play against elite defenses it doesn't work.

What I hope to see is some air raid concepts utilized within an offense that still emphasizes a run offense that is able to simply line up and move the ball by hitting people.

Oklahoma has done that, they run a spread passing game but their running yards aren't off trick plays or hitting the gaps created by the passing attack. They run a certain number of plays a game where you can tell by the line splits that they are in a running formation and the ball is likely coming right at you. Yes they will play action out of it but most of the time they hand the ball off and see if they can run over the defense.

We have a hard time putting one decent d-line out there much less having any depth. The Air Raid tends to result in your defense getting very short breaks and often coming in with bad field position. Not a recipe for success with our current roster.
 
I fought with many posters last offseason arguing your same position. Most people don’t understand the distinction between an Air Raid offense and incorporating Air Raid concepts into an offense. If it has anything to do with Air Raid, they don’t like it.

MtnBuff said:
This is my view.

Air Raid football lets a school that can't recruit have a shot at winning some games and pulling off some upsets. Leach has done that a couple of places that weren't going to win otherwise, some others have as well.

Nobody though has won big with it and when you play against elite defenses it doesn't work.

What I hope to see is some air raid concepts utilized within an offense that still emphasizes a run offense that is able to simply line up and move the ball by hitting people.

Oklahoma has done that, they run a spread passing game but their running yards aren't off trick plays or hitting the gaps created by the passing attack. They run a certain number of plays a game where you can tell by the line splits that they are in a running formation and the ball is likely coming right at you. Yes they will play action out of it but most of the time they hand the ball off and see if they can run over the defense.

We have a hard time putting one decent d-line out there much less having any depth. The Air Raid tends to result in your defense getting very short breaks and often coming in with bad field position. Not a recipe for success with our current roster.
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Uncle Luko said:
I'm with Duff and others, I don't want that air raid ****.
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Yeah, me either. Balanced offenses who can run the ball are football at its finest. Controlling the line of scrimmage is everything, we all know we’ve been weak there and that’s what we’ve lacked consistently for a long time.
 
manhattanbuf said:
I fought with many posters last offseason arguing your same position. Most people don’t understand the distinction between an Air Raid offense and incorporating Air Raid concepts into an offense. If it has anything to do with Air Raid, they don’t like it.
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Well, I'm not most people. I don't mind throwing it quite a bit but you better be able to bust people in the mouth when you need to especially with our questions on D. Balanced offenses are tougher to defend than a one trick pony bottomline.
 
This board needs some serious helping of:

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The roster right now begs for the Air Raid until we have the OL quality and depth. You can call something a gimmick, but until you can play balanced football, it is what it is. I believe that the offense that Scott Frost used at UCF and will be using at Nebraska is the offense that I want. It is a mesh of Hal Mumme's Air Raid, blended with Chip Kelly's tempo, smashed with some of Tom Osborne's smash mouth option football. It puts the ball into a playmakers hands in a space that has positive numbers and matchups. Right now, we only have a QB, a lot of good WR's, and some potentially good but unknown RB's. The OL might be terrible again, or some of the younger guys will move in front of the older guys and we will take off. Having someone like Hal Mumme come in and coach QB's and mentor Darren and Klayton would be pretty special. Chiv and Adams will be the ultimate decider of the actual offense and play calling. Seems they would have a lot of tools in the toolbox if you have Mumme on the one spectrum for QB play and passing, and then Adams on the running side. Chiv is in the middle and can make the offense a hopefully killer blend of both.

As for putting your defense in a bad spot, last year looked pretty crappy, and the Broncos NFL Offense looks like sh*t, so system is not the problem, execution is!
 
hawg1 said:
Adams getting promoted s a sign of weak leadership, loyalty, inability to recruit coaches. And just silly.

Chiv promotion is questionable.

Adams promotion is a sign of a bad HC.
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Yeah Chiv going to Co-OC from Co-OC. That's nuts how could they have come up with that.
 
Tatanka™ said:
There is little to suggest that Chev will implement a pure air raid offense. In 2014 he was the special teams coach at Texas Tech. In 2015 he was the special teams/outside WR coach at TT. One year coaching air raid receivers. One. The rest of his coaching and playing career was in something other than an air raid scheme.

Assuming we hire a QB coach who can get some more consistency out of Montez, I think we throw it a bit more than we run it simply because WR looks to be a team strength and RB looks to be thin, but I don't think Chev or MM have any desire to throw the ball 50 to 60 times a game.
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Sorry I forgot the sarcasm font
 
I think the real story here is that Leavitt left a team that was winning on the strength of its defense, we hired an absolute nobody with a bad track record and paid him an exorbitant salary - and then all of the offseason moves are on the offensive side of the ball.

I'm more pissed off that Eliot is still our defensive coordinator than I am about any of these moves on the offensive side. I realize that maybe his contract is unmovable, but to me THAT's the story here more than swapping out our co-OC.
 
It pretty much been said, so I just say it again: this is the natural trajectory for Chev. Position coach
CoOC and recruiting coordinator: 2 years of game planning training and observing game play calling.

I’m not sure what more a experience he could get aside from leaving CU for lower division experience. I’m happy to take the chance that he’s ready to take the next step.

And also, GO BUFFS!!!!!
 
El Gringo said:
It pretty much been said, so I just say it again: this is the natural trajectory for Chev. Position coach
CoOC and recruiting coordinator: 2 years of game planning training and observing game play calling.

I’m not sure what more a experience he could get aside from leaving CU for lower division experience. I’m happy to take the chance that he’s ready to take the next step.

And also, GO BUFFS!!!!!
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I am way more optimistic tonight than I was last night! I am excited to see the 2018 season come, and since we are what we are as a program, I just want to see inspired quality football. Last season was not acceptable from the entire staff, especially from the top. I like the observation from most on here about how Mac looked out of it this year, with the Tumpkins ordeal knocking him off his feet. But, he needs to come out with a fresh outlook and redefine himself and re-inspire the team to make it back to resembling 2016. Letting all that momentum go would be a tragedy and MM should pay for driving the car off the road.

GO BUFFS
 
vinniew_11 said:
We paid him just a bit below going rate for a P5 coordinator now, like it or not. And he’s not going away until at least next year, like it or not.
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I get all that - but if we're going to shell out that money go find someone with the resume to back it up... If we're going the nepotism route then we should get the friends and family discount.

I understand the realities of finite resources and the politics of coaches contracts - it would have been impractical to move him one year in...

All of that said - the dropoff from Leavitt was much worse than anticipated even with the talent downgrade... Our defense was ****ing horrendous and yet here we are talking about the merits of these moves on offense which will amount to rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic if our defense plays the same next year.
 
JWP303 said:
I think the real story here is that Leavitt left a team that was winning on the strength of its defense, we hired an absolute nobody with a bad track record and paid him an exorbitant salary - and then all of the offseason moves are on the offensive side of the ball.

I'm more pissed off that Eliot is still our defensive coordinator than I am about any of these moves on the offensive side. I realize that maybe his contract is unmovable, but to me THAT's the story here more than swapping out our co-OC.
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I may be in the minority but I think some of the venom aimed at Eliot is displaced. I'm not arguing that he was an uninspiring hire, but I felt like the CU defense was decent in the first half of the year and was completely exposed down the stretch for having zero ability to stop a power running game.

There are those on this board that understand defense better than I, so please correct me if I'm missing something. But when I see our 350 lb NT repeatedly blown five yards off the ball on every play, my first thought is NOT that there is a schematic inadequacy by the DC. Our DL was just soft. Period.
 
So we have 3 offensive coordinators now? That’s just awesome. Also love the way Adams keeps failing his way upward through the cu program. Next year if we have another terrible offensive year, I predict MacIntyre is gone and Adams gets named head coach with RG jumping the gun and giving him a 10 year contract
 
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