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Adams promoted to Co-OC, Chiaverini to call plays

RollTad21 said:
Are there any other OC play callers that are also recruiting coordinators? My worry with Chev is not that I don't think he is ready (I don't know that he is either), but more so that he is being stretched too thin. And we are pulling him away from what seems to be his best aspect, which is recruiting.
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No I've never seen that done before. Should use it as an incentive for one of the position coach hires.
 
Sykobuff said:
You'd have to be with that post...
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You don't think MM has made any good moves? Hiring Chev, Leavitt, Els - all good IMO.

I will agree, this past season was a train wreck. But with the right personnel and players, we did go 10-4. I have no doubts it's possible to assemble the right AC's to do it again. I do, however, have doubts it will happen.

Regardless, I still think we go bowling in 2018.
 
I'm ok with Chev now being the OC/playcaller. It's the logical next step for him and it's what it took to keep him. As for Adams, this seems like a bump in title with probably not many additional responsibilities. Instead of being the Assistant to the Regional Manager he is now the Assistant Regional Manager. Not a big deal.

I'm far more concerned what we do with the other positions. We need new DL, TE, and QB coaches who can RECRUIT! If Mac whiffs on those, then we're fooked.
 
buffalo1 said:
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Wait.....what is the big worry about keeping Adams? What has he done that has been truly meaningful? Did he recruit big names? I have been frustrated by the play of his units.
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Best single year positional recruiting that's been done at CU under Mike MacIntyre has been the 2017 OL, so yes, he has recruited some "big names". Adams was also offered the Washington OL job last year and we were all ****ting bricks about him leaving. One season of the OL underperforming (Our RB was still a top 10 rusher in the country), and all of the sudden Adams sucks at his job? Adams and Chev are the only offensive position coaches worth a damn on this staff and people are cool with just letting them walk in some delusional hope that a big time, established OC was going to be poached?

Maybe I'm completely wrong in my assessment, but to me, these moves were done in order to avoid a potential lame duck HC having to replace every offensive position coach and coordinator in one offseason.
 
Assuming we don't want Chev to leave, and assuming he would leave if demoted, did we even have an opening for an outright OC?
 
My initial reaction is, you need to find a QB coach or TE/HB coach who has been an offensive coordinator in the past. Unless there is something we don't know, we've got two very green OC's with a HC who's expertise is on defense. That other coach on offense then needs to be an ace recruiter. I keep wrapping my mind around this and trying to find the positives.

Maybe Chev is a star in the waiting that we don't know about in regards to calling plays? If that is the case, then you go out and find your ace recruiters for QB coach and TE coach.

I can see the frustration here from most, but will hope that Chev is a star that needs to be unleashed.
 
TSchekler said:
Best single year positional recruiting that's been done at CU under Mike MacIntyre has been the 2017 OL, so yes, he has recruited some "big names". Adams was also offered the Washington OL job last year and we were all ****ting bricks about him leaving. One season of the OL underperforming (Our RB was still a top 10 rusher in the country), and all of the sudden Adams sucks at his job? Adams and Chev are the only offensive position coaches worth a damn on this staff and people are cool with just letting them walk in some delusional hope that a big time, established OC was going to be poached?

Maybe I'm completely wrong in my assessment, but to me, these moves were done in order to avoid a potential lame duck HC having to replace every offensive position coach and coordinator in one offseason.
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Still don't think he's done that great a job here-was the RB/TE play that good the first three years these guys were here?
 
TSchekler said:
Best single year positional recruiting that's been done at CU under Mike MacIntyre has been the 2017 OL, so yes, he has recruited some "big names". Adams was also offered the Washington OL job last year and we were all ****ting bricks about him leaving. One season of the OL underperforming (Our RB was still a top 10 rusher in the country), and all of the sudden Adams sucks at his job? Adams and Chev are the only offensive position coaches worth a damn on this staff and people are cool with just letting them walk in some delusional hope that a big time, established OC was going to be poached?

Maybe I'm completely wrong in my assessment, but to me, these moves were done in order to avoid a potential lame duck HC having to replace every offensive position coach and coordinator in one offseason.
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I agree, man. It's funny how people conveniently forget that the OL also run-blocks and was really patched together due to injury and many of those guys played with injuries that should have kept them out of action (Isaac Miller). Phil was awesome and a warrior but he would be the first to tell you he doesn't get the yards he does without effective blocking. Trust me, Klayton Adams knows what he is doing and is a great teacher and technician who understands the entire offense and scheme and has a great raport with his players. We couldn't hire a better young OL guy. He has the chance to be a head coach someday.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
It is typically fine to promote a coach to a position they have never held before, as long as you have someone on staff with a little experience to help them when needed. You don't move two coaches to positions they have never held. Especially not when there is no one else on offense to lean on if necessary. Chiaverini is it. He is the offensive guy on staff now. Not even the head coach has experience on the offensive side of things to help him out if needed.

The best hope is that the QB coach has some experience as a play caller and can provide a sounding board if required.
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I've got $100 that says MM keeps Bernardi around to be this "experienced offensive coach."
 
Wyo Buff said:
I agree, man. It's funny how people conveniently forget that the OL also run-blocks and was really patched together due to injury and many of those guys played with injuries that should have kept them out of action (Isaac Miller). Phil was awesome and a warrior but he would be the first to tell you he doesn't get the yards he does without effective blocking. Trust me, Klayton Adams knows what he is doing and is a great teacher and technician who understands the entire offense and scheme and has a great raport with his players. We couldn't hire a better young OL guy. He has the chance to be a head coach someday.
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Agreed. I like Adams a lot. The move sort of makes sense to me from a political perspective too - HCMM wanted to keep his top assistants. However, just promoting a position coach to OC is not as prudent of a move as taking a guy that's a proven OC, or at least has more experience. Isn't there a part of you that's underwhelmed by this hire, and using Embree as an example, afraid that we may have just put two guys, regardless of their abilities at the assistant/position coach level, at a position that could be a little over their head? I like HCMM, so hope he's right... ....but I think some of the concerns are valid.
 
TSchekler said:
Best single year positional recruiting that's been done at CU under Mike MacIntyre has been the 2017 OL, so yes, he has recruited some "big names". Adams was also offered the Washington OL job last year and we were all ****ting bricks about him leaving. One season of the OL underperforming (Our RB was still a top 10 rusher in the country), and all of the sudden Adams sucks at his job? Adams and Chev are the only offensive position coaches worth a damn on this staff and people are cool with just letting them walk in some delusional hope that a big time, established OC was going to be poached?

Maybe I'm completely wrong in my assessment, but to me, these moves were done in order to avoid a potential lame duck HC having to replace every offensive position coach and coordinator in one offseason.
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That's not all Klayton Adams-Charles Clark was listed as the primary recruiter on Grant Polley......the only two he got were Heston Paige and Jake Moretti (both of whom are from Denver-so that's really not that impressive.)
 
dyemeduke said:
Agreed. I like Adams a lot. The move sort of makes sense to me from a political perspective too - HCMM wanted to keep his top assistants. However, just promoting a position coach to OC is not as prudent of a move as taking a guy that's a proven OC, or at least has more experience. Isn't there a part of you that's underwhelmed by this hire, and using Embree as an example, afraid that we may have just put two guys, regardless of their abilities at the assistant/position coach level, at a position that could be a little over their head? I like HCMM, so hope he's right... ....but I think some of the concerns are valid.
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I see your point but I think everyone is discounting Chev's role as co-Offensive Coordinator the last couple of years. He was involved in game planning and likely had some differences with Lingren when it came to play-calling. He won't have that problem with Adams. They will work well together since their individual position responsibilities will not overlap. I like this move for the continuity it brings and also expect to see a lot more up-tempo play calling which I think worked really well in 2016 before Sefo got hurt. I also expect Chev will be getting the ball out of Montez hands a lot quicker. Lingren had too complicated and long-developing plays for the up-tempo to work and I think its a big reason Montez looked flustered for most of the season and held the ball too long. If you look at the pure Air Raid, it isn't complicated. The recievers generally run three routes from the same positions and they get great at them. The QB has maybe two reads and gets the ball out on short and intermediate routes within about 2-3 seconds. That may not make for an NFL-ready QB, but it does let a big-armed athletic QB like Montez play without having to be a genius.
 
Some of the concern is valid because nobody here has a clue how competent these two are as offensive coordinators. We have absolute no information to judge. Nobody was clamoring for Lindgren to stay.

This thread did serve to remind me that Hagan didn't recruit Phil Lindsey nor did he coach him here until after we knew PL was already all stud.
 
TSchekler said:
Best single year positional recruiting that's been done at CU under Mike MacIntyre has been the 2017 OL, so yes, he has recruited some "big names". Adams was also offered the Washington OL job last year and we were all ****ting bricks about him leaving. One season of the OL underperforming (Our RB was still a top 10 rusher in the country), and all of the sudden Adams sucks at his job? Adams and Chev are the only offensive position coaches worth a damn on this staff and people are cool with just letting them walk in some delusional hope that a big time, established OC was going to be poached?

Maybe I'm completely wrong in my assessment, but to me, these moves were done in order to avoid a potential lame duck HC having to replace every offensive position coach and coordinator in one offseason.
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For me the negativity isn't all that warranted, like you say.. Hoping for more changes quickly, and I'm fairly certain that RG has his hand in this much more than he lets on. I'm convinced that Chev + KA is going to go way better as far as playcalling goes, than BL + Chev ever did. Just hoping RG is giving some subtle but firm direction to MM about our momentum (whatever is left) in the program is depending almost solely on hiring assistants than can recruit the **** out of socal and tx, to backfill Chev's recruiting coordinator duties. We need to persuade some recruiters to join us at all costs.
 
buffaholic said:
Look for Moschetti to be named asap.
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We joke about all the former Buffs being the best fits for CU openings, but this one wouldn't bother me. He did extremely well at La Mirada (?) and got caught up in an "accounting scandal for the booster club" that preceded his arrival.
 
vinniew_11 said:
But is recruiting all Darren wants to do? He obviously wants to move up the coaching ranks and holding him back would be a bad move just so he could be the recruiting coordinator? And who’s to say that he can’t recruit as an OC? At least priority targets.
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If that is what he wants that is fine. And I assume he will still recruit, but being both the OC and recruiting coordinator seems like a lot to balance. That roll should be given to a coach that can focus on it. One not currently on the staff as an incentive to join.
 
RollTad21 said:
If that is what he wants that is fine. And I assume he will still recruit, but being both the OC and recruiting coordinator seems like a lot to balance. That roll should be given to a coach that can focus on it. One not currently on the staff as an incentive to join.
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I guess my point is people saying that CU shouldn’t do it because it pulls him away from recruiting. But if he wants to move up, he has to do other stuff
 
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