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Bubble Watch - Saturday 3/12

CarolinaBuff said:
VT and Clemson of course travel very well, and UNC and NC State can travel decently. The ACC got lucky last year with VT being in the CCG because the Hokies have a huge fanbase in this area and their campus is only 3 hours from Charlotte, but even being in Charlotte this game will not be a success if someone like Miami and BC are in that game. I think the ACC made a big mistake in adding BC. I realize they were going after the BC market but that area is pro-sports dominated and on the college level it's still Big East country.

That's good to hear that UVA will be back in basketball, it'll be nice to see unc and Duke get some competition in this conference. Although I like Duke just because represent the anti-unc. It has really hurt the conference that programs like NCSU, GT, Maryland and UVA are down. NCSU has done absolutely nothing under Lowe, if he's not gone after next week I'll be shocked.
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BC definitely does not belong. ACC, regardless of the name, is a southern conference and a tiny private school from Massachusetts just doesn't belong. They add nothing, they can't get more than 35k for football games, even when they're good. I was against ACC expansion altogether, but VT has faired well (even if their fanbase/culture is more in line with WVU instead of UVA or UNC). Miami fans are hard to find these days (their football attendance is atrocious), but they're bound to return to being a football powerhouse one of these days and they certainly make sense being FSU's rival. The one good thing expansion did was loosen the hold of the "Carolina mafia" (not my words) on the conference.

In terms of Charlotte, every school not named BC, Miami or GT would attend championship games there in force. When UVA played in the Tire Bowl they brought almost 30k. UVA fans won't usually travel well, but if it's a game in Charlotte (or the Holy Grail of UVA football - the Peach Bowl in ATL) they will show up in force.

Funny, I've always pulled for UNC when it comes down to the Heels and Duke, just because they're the anti-Dook. That was easier to do w/ Bill Guthridge and Matt Doherty, however. I am ****ing tired of seeing Roy Williams cry after every big win/loss. You have to figure Lowe is done - the Pack look like fools for chasing Sendek out of town after 5 straight years in the big dance. Btw, you'd be amazed how many "Hokies" turn into UNC fans come basketball season. A very common breed
 
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I think Miami is going to have a much harder time becoming relevant again than most people think. They play their "home" games about 30 miles from their campus in a stadium they can't even come close to filling that has absolutely zero collegiate atmosphere. The Orange Bowl, for all it's warts, had character. Miami is a small, private school located in a pro-sports town.
 
Pretty sure we want Gonzaga to win this game against SF. I know we've played the Dons and it would be RPI help, but we don't want SF to get the WCC more bids than it otherwise would if things went according to plan.


sackman - I think Miami has their man in Al Golden, but you're right, what a nightmare it is playing 30 mi from campus in an huge empty stadium. Who wouldn't want to head up to Gainesville or Tallahassee when compared to that?
 
BuffNut99 said:
It's been corrected now:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Mizzou in last 4 out now!
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Thinking he meant Missouri State, because Mizzou is still an 8 seed. However, I think Mizzou should be out. Their resume is atrocious. they don't beat anybody, and of the nobody's they've beathen, they're all at home. We finished above them in conference, beat better teams, beat KState on the road...what more can you ask?
 
tante said:
that page is messed, up. They show Mizzou as one of the 1st four out, but have them as an 8 seed on their bracket.
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Play in game against Boston College and winner plays Georgetown. I think we can take BC... Georgetown would be tough
 
sackman said:
I think Miami is going to have a much harder time becoming relevant again than most people think. They play their "home" games about 30 miles from their campus in a stadium they can't even come close to filling that has absolutely zero collegiate atmosphere. The Orange Bowl, for all it's warts, had character. Miami is a small, private school located in a pro-sports town.
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I agree their fanbase has no real connection to the school itself and they have pro football expectations of a college team.
 
tante said:
Chicago region would be fun to end up in.
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actually looking at the Hoyas. This is a relatively down year for them. They are square in the middle of the Big East. Could be a decent draw for us. However the third round would be against Purdue. That would be a slaughter in Chicago however they have been prone to a few upsets this season. Who knows it could be interesting.
 
Getting a little ahead of ourselves....still would only give us about a 30% chance of getting in the tourney if we only win 1 game this week
 
Idk I think its quite a bit higher than 30%. If people are giving the Big12 6 spots we have to go. Even if its only 5 sending Mizzou over us would not make much sense and I think would upset quite a few people (not just on this board).
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Idk I think its quite a bit higher than 30%. If people are giving the Big12 6 spots we have to go. Even if its only 5 sending Mizzou over us would not make much sense and I think would upset quite a few people (not just on this board).
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Tourney selection committee has been very harsh on those teams on the bubble with very very soft OOC schedules recently....we fit that mold to the T

Plus no guarantee on 6 from the Big 12....the hope and thought would be the Big 12 "should" have 6 teams, but if some crappy conference team steals an automatic bid or anything else out of the ordinary happens (which there most certainly will be upsets/etc.) then that logic is thrown out the window and it becomes a team by team resume comparison where we might be strong in 1 avenue (big wins vs. solid opponents) but terrible in 2 other avenues (horrendous strength of schedule & RPI)
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
I still say the losses to OU and ISU are the killers. 10-6 would have been a shoe-in to the NCAA tournament.
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Definitely, two road wins would have really helped our RPI too, even if they were against kinda crappy teams. But that'd probably put us in what, 3rd? Absolutely could not keep us out then.

I think the number of wins we need in the tourney depends on how the other teams do in the tourney. If Baylor wins 3, we'd better be right there. If Mich State, BC, and VT all lose their first game, maybe we can just win 1. Still a lot of basketball to play.

The only thing I'm pretty sure of is if we win 2 in the tourney, with 3 wins over KState, we're in unless there are some wacky tobaccy results in other tournaments.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Idk I think its quite a bit higher than 30%. If people are giving the Big12 6 spots we have to go. Even if its only 5 sending Mizzou over us would not make much sense and I think would upset quite a few people (not just on this board).
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Why would that not make much sense? Missouri has a higher RPI and stronger SOS and we split with them and are tied within the conference. The thing CU has going for it is we have finished strong.

The Big 12 tourney will be the key. CU wins the first game then we play KSU who for some reason we have matched up well with. Missouri plays TT, assuming they win they play A&M who I do not think is all that tough. 2-1 in the B12 Tourney would probably put CU in, 1-1 is iffy and 0-1 then we are done.
 
BlackNGold said:
Why would that not make much sense? Missouri has a higher RPI and stronger SOS and we split with them and are tied within the conference. The thing CU has going for it is we have finished strong.

The Big 12 tourney will be the key. CU wins the first game then we play KSU who for some reason we have matched up well with. Missouri plays TT, assuming they win they play A&M who I do not think is all that tough. 2-1 in the B12 Tourney would probably put CU in, 1-1 is iffy and 0-1 then we are done.
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Actually, CU is 5-5 over their last 10 games, and 7-8 over their last 15. Not exactly what I'd call a strong finish.
 
BlackNGold said:
Why would that not make much sense? Missouri has a higher RPI and stronger SOS and we split with them and are tied within the conference. The thing CU has going for it is we have finished strong.

The Big 12 tourney will be the key. CU wins the first game then we play KSU who for some reason we have matched up well with. Missouri plays TT, assuming they win they play A&M who I do not think is all that tough. 2-1 in the B12 Tourney would probably put CU in, 1-1 is iffy and 0-1 then we are done.
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Idk to me it doesn't make sense that a #6 seed in a conference would be taken over the #5 seed. I know RPI and SOS are why they would take Mizzou over us but it seems counter intuitive to me.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Idk to me it doesn't make sense that a #6 seed in a conference would be taken over the #5 seed. I know RPI and SOS are why they would take Mizzou over us but it seems counter intuitive to me.
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Well, it's not like we had a vastly better record than Mizzou though. We had the same conference record, split the season series with them and only got the #5 seed due to a long list of tie breakers...so those other things (RPI/SOS) really do make them stand out that much more
 
Rraalph 3000 said:
Well, it's not like we had a vastly better record than Mizzou though. We had the same conference record, split the season series with them and only got the #5 seed due to a long list of tie breakers...so those other things (RPI/SOS) really do make them stand out that much more
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And the seeds are just that. We still have to play the games and the order, especially with the bubble teams, will not really matter if either team is beaten in the first round. We need to win the ISU game and probably the KSU game in order to get in. Win the ISU game and lose the KSU game and as others have said, it might not be enough.
 
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