I'm shocked that anyone beside CSquared actually believes that CSU could get a P5 invite someday. Did some of you starting drinking early today?
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Go to sheepnation and you will find at least 20 posters who share the same delusion.
It's like a kid throwing a tantrum, because his crazy uncle convinces his Dad to buy the kid a luxury sedan if the Uncle comes up with half the money. Of course, the uncle doesn't even come close and the dad has to choose between keeping a roof over his kid's head or financing the car on his own with no way to make the payments. All the kid cares about is that he doesn't get his new BMW and hates his dad.
There's that many posters over there?
Might take a few days.
Two of my kids graduated from CSU and one played D1 athletics. Frank is a good dude. He and other donors had enough of the wild wild west....
jobuff
Club Member
pretty specific comparison. Did you ever get your BMW?
I think they could ultimately end up in a power conference especially if there end up being 6 power conferences of 16. They have loads of work to do and the last couple of days have not helped them. But if they think long term and work toward 5 and 10 year goals, they might be able to pull it off.
I'm not going to lie and pretend I'm not laughing at all their **** ups but they are only permanently ****ed if they choose not to look at this over the long haul.
The reason we ended up as badly ****ed as we have been is terrible leadership and especially no balls and no vision. We are only now starting to crawl out of the mire. Their guy had balls but not the plan to back it up--pretty pitiful actually.
I'm not going to lie and pretend I'm not laughing at all their **** ups but they are only permanently ****ed if they choose not to look at this over the long haul.
The reason we ended up as badly ****ed as we have been is terrible leadership and especially no balls and no vision. We are only now starting to crawl out of the mire. Their guy had balls but not the plan to back it up--pretty pitiful actually.
FlatironsBuff
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I think that perhaps all this came down to the vote yesterday. Frank saw the writing on the wall with the vote and wants to go smaller, JG says it's showdown time and now they HAVE to go big! That's a pretty big difference in outlooks. Especially when the failure of the AD to pull it off means the higher guy might take the fall too. And yes, with JG gone, not meeting any goals for fundraising means they can blame the doners and kill to project. And quite honestly, IMO, killing it means no chance to the big show. If they wanted the big show, they needed to have an overflow with the stadium they have, and they didn't have that. A stadium twice as big means it is 4 to 5 times as empty....and that won't impress anyone.
Now the question become what to do with the coaches? I can see no raises coming...ever... and both could be gone sooner than later, to be filled in with much lower paid coaches.
This is my speculation, but from what I see, CSU is trying to polish a turd and it doesn't look good for them in the next ten years.
Now the question become what to do with the coaches? I can see no raises coming...ever... and both could be gone sooner than later, to be filled in with much lower paid coaches.
This is my speculation, but from what I see, CSU is trying to polish a turd and it doesn't look good for them in the next ten years.
FlatironsBuff
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I think JG has the long term vision they needed, but didn't have the doner money to back it up. I think things could have changed drastically for them if people had stepped up with the money. Just like maybe Bohn had the vision, but could not raise the money to get it moving. Now we have the right guy to get the checkbooks opened up and things are being built. So I guess, either Frank wants to go much smaller, or he was watching the CU/Bohn/George situation and decided he needed someone who can get the money flowing to get this done. Who is that person, if that is the plan? Lubestick?
They have never shown the kind of support that puts them anywhere near what a power conference would want to see, just hasn't happened.
I have always felt that their place should be as an elite FCS program, not a bottomfeeder BCS program.
They have some greatt fans, as passionate as any. Problem is they are way to few and not backed by any substantial following of casual fans. Football at CSU just isn't important enough to enough people to ever be a viable big time program.
They have fewer football season ticket holders than CU has basketball season ticket holders. Think about that for a minute.
JJBuff
Club Member
Do you have a dirt bike? You can still have fun in the parking lot.
Wow. Is it really a one-way street to get out there? I have never been to Hughes. Been to FoCo a number of times and seen a basketball game at CSU, but never been out to the football stadium.
It's not a paved parking lot? Now you're messing with me.
That actually sounds pretty cool.
JJBuff
Club Member
Not paved, but they do have some beautiful shrubs.
JJBuff
Club Member
Back off! I'm trademarking that ****.
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This is pretty much how I've always seen them too. FCS would be a great place for their football program. Hell, they'd even be in top 10 in FCS attendance (8th going by last season).
I've said it before, but what completely baffles me about this whole on-campus stadium pipe dream is this thought that average attendance will suddenly be in the high 30k or 40k range. They've never averaged anything close to that on a consistent basis, even during their best run in the mid 90's. The interest simply doesn't exist and never will.
See your problem is using logic about their attendance.
That was never in doubt. A reasonable on-campus stadium wouldn't cost much more than what the price tag would be to bring Hughes up to standards with the road, parking, premium seating and amenity improvements that stadium absolutely needs.
Frank should support an on-campus stadium.
What I think he supports, though, is something more like Houston is doing and less like Graham's "Jerry World North" fantasy.
A $250 mllion 45K-seat stadium with all the the bells and whistles is not only way more than they need, they simply won't be able to fund it. But an on-campus stadium in the 20-30K range coming in at around 100K or less does make some sense.
There's a number of good examples out there of what would be much more appropriate for CSU and their small fanbase, and these were all built within the last 7 years so costs wouldn't be that much more now:
UCF - 45K, $55 million, Opened 2007
Akron - 30K, $61 million, Opened 2009
Florida Atlantic - 29K, $70 million, Opened 2011
North Texas - 30K, $78 million, Opened 2011
UNC-Charlotte - 15K, $45 million, Opened 2013 (can be easily expanded to 40K)
Tulane - 30K, $75 million, Opening this season
Houston - 40K, $120 million, Opening this season
There's a number of good examples out there of what would be much more appropriate for CSU and their small fanbase, and these were all built within the last 7 years so costs wouldn't be that much more now:
UCF - 45K, $55 million, Opened 2007
Akron - 30K, $61 million, Opened 2009
Florida Atlantic - 29K, $70 million, Opened 2011
North Texas - 30K, $78 million, Opened 2011
UNC-Charlotte - 15K, $45 million, Opened 2013 (can be easily expanded to 40K)
Tulane - 30K, $75 million, Opening this season
Houston - 40K, $120 million, Opening this season
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FIFY. Can't hardly build a house for $250K anymore.