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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

Liver said:
the athletic suggests the big 12 and pac ought to just merge and add 2 teams to get to 24. then you can do geographically rational pods and it would definitely be conference 3 behind sec and big.

theathletic.com

How a Pac-12/Big 12 conference merger would play football

Here's how to organize and schedule a Big 12/Pac-12 merged conference. Looks pretty good!
theathletic.com theathletic.com


Mountain Pod
TEAM
Arizona
Arizona State
BYU
Colorado
San Diego State
Utah

i hate this much less than some of the other outcomes.
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I kinda like that pod but adding all Big12 is so dilutive to brand value. I think the next Pac tv contract easily bests next B12 contract (assuming UO/UW stay) and Pac can cherry pick from B12 if they want (won’t want to).
 
MtnBuff said:
Everybody thinks that SDSU belongs as a top level program except the fans who pay for it. They are in a large and fast growing city without competition from the NFL (or the NBA, NHL, etc.) but they still don't draw and they don't generate TV ratings.

For right now I think the best course of action would be for the best programs from the remaining three conferences PAC, B12, ACC to form an entirely new conference of the top say 16 programs, sign them to strong GOR agreements, and dump the rest of the programs which would be a drag on the conference. From the PAC that would mean OSU and WSU gone as well as likely Cal. B12 schools that wouldn't be included would be some of their recent additions, ACC has some programs that don't make the cut as well. Depending on what the TV networks want you may go as high as 24.

And again long term it isn't going to matter because college football as we know it is already dead, they just haven't realized it yet. There will be a tier of schools that forget all pretense of being college athletic programs and spend and receive huge amounts of money. Eventually a bunch of schools are going to recognize that they aren't included and that they don't want to be and we see a new, lower budget structure evolve.

We may, and probably eventually will see the NFL decide they want those billions and take over the top level talent development under their own minor or developmental league cutting the colleges out of the money and process.
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That would be awesome but best ACC would go to B10/SeC.
 
It makes sense for both conferences to merge for at least an expense perspective. You can have one national league channel, one commissioner, one league office, etc. That's a lot of content, so I would imagine ESPN would want all of it or most of it. I can't imagine a CBS or anyone else having the capability for that much content, but they may want some of the second tier content. I can see a scenario where this would financially make more sense than two watered down leagues.
 
Liver said:
the athletic suggests the big 12 and pac ought to just merge and add 2 teams to get to 24. then you can do geographically rational pods and it would definitely be conference 3 behind sec and big.

theathletic.com

How a Pac-12/Big 12 conference merger would play football

Here's how to organize and schedule a Big 12/Pac-12 merged conference. Looks pretty good!
theathletic.com theathletic.com


Mountain Pod
TEAM
Arizona
Arizona State
BYU
Colorado
San Diego State
Utah

i hate this much less than some of the other outcomes.
Click to expand...
Yep, I just read this. It's a great idea all the way around is exactly what should be done. The part about the winner of each Pod playing their 9th conference game as a conference semi final against another pod winner on Thanksgiving weekend is fantastic and would provide more high end inventory late in the season.

The main part is that it keeps all the programs in each conference involved and all the fanbases engaged. Mandel's concept of a late season Washington vs ASU matchup that only matters to Pac 12 fans right now, would then matter to fans in TX, OH, and FL. A true national product that would have 10-12 years of functioning before the ACC deal comes up, at which time everything can be reevaluated.
 
241Volcanos said:
I kinda like that pod but adding all Big12 is so dilutive to brand value. I think the next Pac tv contract easily bests next B12 contract (assuming UO/UW stay) and Pac can cherry pick from B12 if they want (won’t want to).
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What if P10 can’t cherry pick? Or if the teams aren’t non-dilutive?

P10 vs B14? Navigate says latter more valuable if I recall correctly.
 
241Volcanos said:
I kinda like that pod but adding all Big12 is so dilutive to brand value. I think the next Pac tv contract easily bests next B12 contract (assuming UO/UW stay) and Pac can cherry pick from B12 if they want (won’t want to).
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Roadies to San Diego would suck a whole lot less than SLC/Provo.

If the travel pair would be BYU/ UU, UA/ASU, then we'd be paired with SDSU presumably.
 
Liver said:
the athletic suggests the big 12 and pac ought to just merge and add 2 teams to get to 24. then you can do geographically rational pods and it would definitely be conference 3 behind sec and big.

theathletic.com

How a Pac-12/Big 12 conference merger would play football

Here's how to organize and schedule a Big 12/Pac-12 merged conference. Looks pretty good!
theathletic.com theathletic.com


Mountain Pod
TEAM
Arizona
Arizona State
BYU
Colorado
San Diego State
Utah

i hate this much less than some of the other outcomes.
Click to expand...

Happy Jim Carrey GIF
 
241Volcanos said:
That would be awesome but best ACC would go to B10/SeC.
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I am surprised that 2-4 of the ACC schools haven't already been grabbed. Thinking Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC would be logical options but so far they haven't. If the new conference could lock those schools up it would add a lot of value.

This is the same idea as Oregon and Washington getting pulled from the PAC.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Yep, I just read this. It's a great idea all the way around is exactly what should be done. The part about the winner of each Pod playing their 9th conference game as a conference semi final against another pod winner on Thanksgiving weekend is fantastic and would provide more high end inventory late in the season.

The main part is that it keeps all the programs in each conference involved and all the fanbases engaged. Mandel's concept of a late season Washington vs ASU matchup that only matters to Pac 12 fans right now, would then matter to fans in TX, OH, and FL. A true national product that would have 10-12 years of functioning before the ACC deal comes up, at which time everything can be reevaluated.
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There’s power in size, at very least. Don’t have to be the best, just the biggest. ;)
 
MtnBuff said:
I am surprised that 2-4 of the ACC schools haven't already been grabbed. Thinking Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC would be logical options but so far they haven't. If the new conference could lock those schools up it would add a lot of value.

This is the same idea as Oregon and Washington getting pulled from the PAC.
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As it's been discussed for the last 112 pages in this thread, the ACC schools are almost assuredly locked in until 2036
 


SIAP- Likely nothing comes of this but possible Cali politics screw up UCLA's move? May depend on how much the B1G doesn't want Cal.
 
Jello Bear said:
Roadies to San Diego would suck a whole lot less than SLC/Provo.

If the travel pair would be BYU/ UU, UA/ASU, then we'd be paired with SDSU presumably.
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I think probably OSU because OU is leaving and we're (I know this is going to shock some of you wine and cheese lovers) a lot closer to Stillwater mileage wise than SD.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
As it's been discussed for the last 112 pages in this thread, the ACC schools are almost assuredly locked in until 2036
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We are in strange times with programs looking at their future survival as top programs.

If the ACC schools see themselves being left behind or left out and the holders of their network broadcast deals agree/encourage them those contracts can be broken. Every one of the conference agreements has provisions built in that allow for an out if enough schools go along.

Certainly those schools that would be left behind would object but contracts can be broken.
 
MtnBuff said:
We are in strange times with programs looking at their future survival as top programs.

If the ACC schools see themselves being left behind or left out and the holders of their network broadcast deals agree/encourage them those contracts can be broken. Every one of the conference agreements has provisions built in that allow for an out if enough schools go along.

Certainly those schools that would be left behind would object but contracts can be broken.
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Oh, just break the contracts? Someone should tell Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC and Virginia they can do that, then!

JFC, Mtn
 
the new 24 team conference with the late season flex games makes so much ****ing sense that it will never happen.

call it the super 24, even.

in the next big round of realignment, the networks can finally get what their hearts desire-- something like a 64 team d1 with playoffs and everything.

not being totally horribly and irrevocably ****ed over would be a far, far, far better result for CU than we have earned.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Oh, just break the contracts? Someone should tell Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC and Virginia they can do that, then!

JFC, Mtn
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When it is a matter of survival in the new world of college football then yes if they can get enough schools to go along contracts can be broken. To do what I am talking about would involve a majority of the ACC. They would be leaving behind some schools but it wouldn't just be 4-5 schools going. Same situation with the PAC. There would be some schools left behind but it would allow most to survive.

In this situation yes dissolving the conference agreements would be a possible step.

If they see the alternative as becoming one step above G5 strange things can happen.

By the way USC and UCLA, just like Texas and Oklahoma had contracts with their conferences and what happened with them.
 
Liver said:
the new 24 team conference with the late season flex games makes so much ****ing sense that it will never happen.

call it the super 24, even.

in the next big round of realignment, the networks can finally get what their hearts desire-- something like a 64 team d1 with playoffs and everything.

not being totally horribly and irrevocably ****ed over would be a far, far, far better result for CU than we have earned.
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In that kind of set up, last year's Semi-Final games would have been some combination of Oregon, Utah, Oklahoma State and Cincinnati playing each other on Thanksgiving weekend, depending on which Pod winners play each other. If it's based on rankings, last year would have been Utah (4) @ Cincinnati (1) and Oregon (3) @ Oklahoma State (2) with the winners playing in the "Coast to Coast" Conference Championship Game the following weekend.

The other 20 teams would matchup with each other for their 9th conference game Thanksgiving weekend based on the rest of the standings (5 v 6, 7 v 8, 9 v10, etc), creating and entire conference week's schedule of the most competitive and attractive matchups across the board. Would also give the bottom feeders in the league another chance at a win.
 
MtnBuff said:
When it is a matter of survival in the new world of college football then yes if they can get enough schools to go along contracts can be broken. To do what I am talking about would involve a majority of the ACC. They would be leaving behind some schools but it wouldn't just be 4-5 schools going. Same situation with the PAC. There would be some schools left behind but it would allow most to survive.

In this situation yes dissolving the conference agreements would be a possible step.

If they see the alternative as becoming one step above G5 strange things can happen.

By the way USC and UCLA, just like Texas and Oklahoma had contracts with their conferences and what happened with them.
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this is inaccurate--- the 4 departed above timed with the expiration of their GoR.

the fact that the acc is still intact is a testament to the strength of the contracts you are discounting.

the way the acc gets blown up early (and it will happen but not quite yet) is when enough of the teams are so pissed about being so far behind in revenue that they demand a restructuring.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
In that kind of set up, last year's Semi-Final games would have been some combination of Oregon, Utah, Oklahoma State and Cincinnati playing each other on Thanksgiving weekend, depending on which Pod winners play each other. If it's based on rankings, last year would have been Utah (4) @ Cincinnati (1) and Oregon (3) @ Oklahoma State (2) with the winners playing in the "Coast to Coast" Conference Championship Game the following weekend.

The other 20 teams would matchup with each other for their 9th conference game Thanksgiving weekend based on the rest of the standings (5 v 6, 7 v 8, 9 v10, etc), creating and entire conference week's schedule of the most competitive and attractive matchups across the board. Would also give the bottom feeders in the league another chance at a win.
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that is actually some compelling football and would draw viewers. oh, for the powers that be to be smart enough to do this.
 
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