What bearing does the UT/OK-less BigXII have on a national stage? No playoff teams in that motley crew.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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Cincinnati as a G5 program.
I think there are a handful of Big 12 programs who would rate really well if playing Pac teams in the late slot.
Okie State and Baylor were very nearly playoff teams. Cincinnati was a playoff team. Oregon and Utah were the only PAC12 teams with credible playoff aspirations last year.
This is the first actual bit of good news I've seen during this whole fiasco. Media numbers drive leverage at this point. I didn't realize we had any.
TEAM VIEWERS Oregon
1.96 million Stanford
1.83 million Washington
1.73 million Washington State
1.59 million Colorado
1.49 million Utah
1.44 million Oklahoma State
1.28 million California
1.27 million TCU
1.22 million Arizona State
1.19 million West Virginia
1.10 million Baylor
1.07 million Iowa State
1.04 million Texas Tech
866,000 Arizona
815,000 Kansas State
748,000 Oregon State
723,000 Kansas
409,000
Now if CU Admin will just step off its own d*** long enough to use it.
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The longer this goes without a move, the less likely it is that any move is made. Feels like after the initial shock of the defections wore off, and some actual analysis was done, that the PAC still has value that likely exceeds that of the B12. Regardless of where we end up, I think it’s obvious we wont be swimming in money.
Yeah but what 5 are you going to take? All of them have major warts.
- OK State is 2nd fiddle in a smaller state, and with no major media market. Don't discount the fact that their HC is a far-right wackadoo. The last two coaches that were that way in the P12 got run off pretty quickly.
- TCU has success and a major media market. But they're not a major player in their market, and they are a religious school.
- Baylor is a combination of the two (small market religious school) with success. Small-ish following
- BYU would make the most sense if it weren't for the problems with scheduling and religious school.
- WVU is a good brand, but it's all the way on the other side of the country.
- ISU might make sense, actually, but Iowa is pretty small and they are clearly the second program in that state.
- KState and TT are in TINY markets
- Kansas doesn't give a **** about football
- Cincy, UCF, and Houston are tiny G5 schools.
I can see maybe making a case for OK State, ISU, TCU, but after that it gets dicey to me.
Only to you. You're very important to me.
ahoelsken
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Wrong. Again, you're talking out of your ass. We have 10 days left in the exclusive negotiating window. Nobody moves (if moves happen) until that ends.
Everybody is talking out of their ass. I’m not alone. Are you going to argue that the figures we are starting to see now paint a picture that puts the likelihood of a move higher than it was two weeks ago? To me, the momentum seems to be swinging away from a move towards staying in the PAC.
I was shocked when I found out that UCF is the largest university in Florida (by enrollment).
New thread title.
Admitting complete ignorance here, but how is the PACN funded? Assuming it comes out of media rights deal ... wouldn't everyone get more % if its just scrapped altogether?
Houston being bigger than Texas Tech also surprised me.
Thisuniversityisf’ed!
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Solid thread title.
ahoelsken
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Pac-12 Begins Negotiations for Next TV Rights
Cal will be interested in what those talks produce -- if anything
www.si.com
The idea that momentum seems to be swinging away from a move.......is your bias. Window announced on the 5th of July. 30 days from then is August 4th. If there is any movement, it won't happen until after that date. Another thing with the Mandel study-Its flawed for a couple of reasons. One, Stanford's games with Notre Dame are still included. If you're excluding games against Texas, UCLA, USC, and Oklahoma, why aren't you excluding games against Notre Dame? Two, of course the Pac 12 draws better than the Big 12 because of the late night window. The main competition for content there is the MWC-while the Big 12 plays all day and competes against the brands of the SEC and the Big 10. Three, why aren't the Big 12's additions involved in this study? Seems like it would make sense to include BYU because they're a brand and Cincinnati because they did something that the Pac 12 hasn't done in five years last year.
Whether this conference stays together comes down to two things. I think we can assume that if it does, the P12N content will wind up on most likely ESPN+ in some form or fashion-
One, ESPN by itself isn't enough. The conference needs another partner here. Odds are its an Amazon or an Apple-but I don't think you can rule out the Pac 10 going to NBC and trying to sell itself as a post ND partner or a bid from CBS. Only thing you can probably rule out at this point in time is FOX remaining as a Pac 12 partner.
Two, the PNW schools need to back off the unequal revenue sharing plan. I know Oregon and Washington are driving that, but OSU/WSU are going to do whatever Big Brother tells them to. There is no way in hell the four corners schools in particular will go for that, and they shouldn't.
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I assume that this was in regards to my post.
I meant that they are tiny G5 programs with commensurate followings. College Football News produced a look at FBS programs by 5 year attendance averages prior to the pandemic:
Attendance Rankings, Averages For Every School: 2020 CFN Five-Year Program Analysis
How many people show up? As a part of the CFN Five-Year Program Analysis, the attendance is a factor. Here are the rankings of all 130 schools. Contact @PeteFiutak 2020 Five-Year Program Analysis A…
collegefootballnews.com
UCF is 60th and Houston is 70th. Although, I will say that they finish above WSU and UCF is above Oregon State.
Portland State is the biggest college in Oregon and is located directly in the largest metro, yet no one is talking about going after their football program.
I've been to a couple UH games. They're a sad affair.I assume that this was in regards to my post.
I meant that they are tiny G5 programs with commensurate followings. College Football News produced a look at FBS programs by 5 year attendance averages prior to the pandemic:
Attendance Rankings, Averages For Every School: 2020 CFN Five-Year Program Analysis
How many people show up? As a part of the CFN Five-Year Program Analysis, the attendance is a factor. Here are the rankings of all 130 schools. Contact @PeteFiutak 2020 Five-Year Program Analysis A…
UCF is 60th and Houston is 70th. Although, I will say that they finish above WSU and UCF is above Oregon State.
Portland State is the biggest college in Oregon and is located directly in the largest metro, yet no one is talking about going after their football program.
Since it is largely a commuter school with a lot of night school folks, they definitely get a major boost.
There is a reason they call it Houston High.
UH has a huge international student base. Huge. They don't care about athletics, and they mostly leave when they're done. All my brother's roommates while he was there were international. Russia and Middle East.
Yup, enrollment numbers don't mean a lot when those students aren't on campus on weekends.
I looked up Colorado colleges by enrolment and was shocked to see #3 on the list.
1. CU Boulder 37,437
2. CSU Fort Collins 32,428
3. See the shocker 28,244
Colorado Technical University Colorado Springs 28,244
As an interesting comparison and similar to Houston but with a much smaller enrollment is Metro at 19,086. Even sharing a campus with CU Denver and Community College of Denver that campus is dead on weekends and at night. Still some people going to and from night and weekend classes but nobody is there for social reasons.
It would be interesting to do a survey on the Houston campus to find out how many students could name more than a couple players and how many were actually fans of other schools.
Master Blaster
Ramblin Wreck from Golden Tech
UCF is the largest public university in the country in terms of enrollment. They are cranking out a ton of alumni that are increasingly supportive of the football program as they continue to climb the ladder. It was a great add by the Big 12 in terms of future growth. They could be a powerhouse in 10-15 years
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Funny you say that-because Baylor/Oklahoma State had playoff implications while Oregon/Utah did not.
Cougar High. That said, the stadium looks decent, especially for a smaller school.
Plus, as you pointed out earlier, if the Big12 makes any moves it almost certainly won't be until after Yormark officially takes office on Aug. 1st.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
True. Biggest thing with this to me is UO/UW backing off the unequal revenue idea. There is no way in hell that anybody with a choice goes for that.