What does 70% linear mean to you? Please explain.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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Victory
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Could have been due to unequal revenue sharing. Better start time for CU and UA. Getting networks other than ESPN and Fox to pony up more to keep the P12 together. Who knows but it’s been theorized this could have been the reason for the B12 posturing.
I believe there are more than enough elite QBs out there that the 40 programs wouldn't be able to have them all plus QBs would need repetitions so they would move down a level in order to do that. That is why I saw quite a few freshmen & sophomore QBs at the FCS level and those QBs could transfer up to improve their NFL draft chances.
We will have a good study case with Sheduer Sanders. Also there is WSU's Cameron Ward who started at FCS Incarnate Word. UIW's football program isn't even 20 years old and if you light it up at the FCS level, you will be noticed and the FBS offers would come.
If Sheduer plays well, that will be more impressive than what Ward achieved since HBCU football isn't viewed as up to par with the rest of the FCS and might be more closer to D2 in nature especially given the athletic budgets of HBCU schools. That could mean FBS schools might dip into the D2 ranks down the road for those QBs.
What if the P12 rights are not valuable and the offered deal is LOWER then the previous deal?
What if Oregon AND Washington were not now and not ever offered a B1G invite?
That means that the ten schools likely do have an offer of something and a majority of them dont like it. Which is why theyre not signing it or leaking it.
If there was something on the table about un-equal revenue shares reducing their own, that's a threat and a promise that goes on the table.
There are QBs that play at top FBS programs that never make it in the NFL. The skill and speed of play at these schools is vastly superior to D2 schools yet inferior to the skill and speed of play in the NFL. Im sure there is a D2 guy out there that can make it but hes an aberratio (1AA Steve McNair?). Do you know how supply and demand works? Whats the highest paid position on most NFL rosters?
not ESPN+, Apple or Amazon
I can see the unequal rev share argument, but I don't see that as something that is seriously being discussed as an option. The entire conference knows neither UW or UO have any options right now, and what's the upside for unequal rev share; a few million extra per year? That's pocket change for Oregon and UW and not going to move the needle in keeping them closer to the B1G and SEC programs.
I actually think CU and UA going to the Big 12 is better for Oregon and Washington if unequal rev share is their goal, unless of course, CU and UA leaving dissolves the conference entirely, which from all accounts isn't likely.
Will you acknowledge that 70% linear for the Big 12 is going to mean ESPN2, ESPNU, FS1 and FS2 far more often than FOX, ABC and ESPN?
There is a massive difference between ESPN2, U, FS1/2 and the big networks and those ratings and viewership would quite possibly be lower than games being played on Amazon or Apple.
That must include the 50-60% of the games on ESPN+ cuz, well, it does say ESPN in name.
I'll acknowledge those channels but not that viewership could be lower than those on Amazon and especially Apple.
If on Apple, there will most likely be a subscription cost on-top of the basic Apple monthly charge. Unless a fan of one of the PAC schools, I don't see
many people purchasing ANOTHER subscription.
IT DOES NOT ! MY GOD !!
You are so dense.
It would be nice if college football (or universities in general) were about integrity and doing what is right for the students and the states (or faiths) they represent but we know that isn't the case. It all comes down to the business of making millions of dollars, directly or indirectly for the university, much of which goes toward padding the lives of university administrators and contract providers bypassing completely the bulk of the the regular students and even the professors and researchers.A quick look at the Big 12 membership and the conference culture:
Baylor- the home of Art Briles, a basketball murder coverup, Kim Mulkey and her public support of Briles & lack of it for Griner - basically all built on the Ken Starr blueprint for a university
BYU- they are what they are, a place that donated and drove the challenge in California against marriage equality (working with Ken Starr while he was at Pepperdine), has codified restrictions on professorial academic freedom and has a student code of conduct so draconian that they suspended a hoops player from the Dance for having sex with his girlfriend
Cincinnati- the first home of Bob Huggins where he had a 0.0% graduation rate and then the place that hired Tommy Tuberville
Houston- Art Briles cut his teeth here and now have Dana Holgerson who even West Virginia thought drank too much, and also hired Kelvin Sampson for MBB who had previously been nailed for recruiting violations at Oklahoma, was run out of the basketball coaches association for rules violations and was so dirty that Indiana officials had to apologize for hiring at the time they canned him
Iowa State-
Kansas- stuck by a coach implicated as a cheater by the FBI because they'll do anything for their MBB program (and they got their first natty since Larry Brown was there breaking rules), but otherwise they're fine
Kansas State- home of the largest inferiority complex in college athletics, desperately hired Huggins from Cincy and looked the other way because beating KU would be all that mattered, in football was willing to become a JUCO finishing school to no longer suck
Oklahoma State- home of all time greats like Dexter Manley who was able to pass his classes despite being illiterate, a FB coach in Mike Gundy who is a known racist, and a hoops program that hasn't done much before or since Eddie Sutton fled the scandal he created at Kentucky to go there and become the model for its peers by getting nailed for a DUI at 70 years old
TCU-
Texas Tech- couldn't win even when they had Mahomes at QB, has a culture defined by hiring Bobby Knight and Tommy Tuberville, even going so far as to consider Art Briles
UCF- happy to hire O'Leary after Notre Dame canceled him for falsifying his resume, one of the worst academic cheating scandals (punishment was that hundreds of students had to take an ethics class, not suspension or expulsion), now a cheating controversy over loaded bats in baseball, love them some Scott Frost
West Virginia- when they're not burning couches and abusing Oxy, they are committed to providing a safe place for drunk coaches like Huggins and Holgerson to be themselves as long as they win enough
It's basically a conference with the same m.o. as the old SWAC with some old time religion thrown into the mix which has seen every university with the chops to leave rushing out the door.
You did a great and honest job of breaking down the reality of what the B12 is, now shall we look at the SEC with phony academics for athletes and criminal activity shoved under the rug. Might be better to look at the B1G, could fill a page on them just with various sexual abuse that schools attempted to ignore or cover up. Don't even have to go to their academic and other infractions.
The PAC is dying, it is no longer a viable means of remaining part of the elite level of college football. Ultimately that elite level is going to consist primarily of the schools that have power and influence in the SEC and B1G right now and those who can be affiliated with them.
If CU wishes to be part of that then everything needs to be oriented towards eventually affiliating with that group of schools. If a stop over in the B12 is a part of getting there so as not to be further dragged down by the PAC then that is the direction they need to go.
Victory
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Who knows. We could speculate a lot of scenarios. He’s the head of the conference. If he can’t solve the issue at hand it needs to be worked from a different angle w/ a different perspective.
Maybe we’re in a really good spot and no one outside the circle knows. That’s the only scenario I’d consider keeping him if we have nothing to announce by media day.
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i probably shouldn't bother, but some terms are being misused in this thread. NO WAY!
here's a way to think of it...
basically there are 2 types of viewing... on demand and linear. on demand means you view it whenever you want. linear is appointment viewing, and in the context of this thread, people are specifically referring to live sports delivered in live time. all tv used to be linear, and included both live and not live content.
the second consideration isn't linear or on-demand, it is the delivery method--- broadcast, cable, sat, fiber. first everything was broadcast linear content. with cable came some on-demand, then recording devices came along allowing time shift and such.
the next consideration is who is delivering. traditional broadcasters like abc, nbc, and cbs had tremendous previous advantages as they were delivered free via ad support over the air and then they were also able cut lucrative carriage deals with various cable and other distributors like sat. these established players have power because they have reach to large audience and they get bundled pricing and ad dollars.
cord cutting is the next thing to consider. it used to be that if you wanted all the content you wanted, you had to sign up for cable or sat. they had content like hbo that wasn't available over the air but they also had all of the linear content people liked to view the most.
that takes us to this discussion. the reason live sports are valuable is they achieve 2 main things-- one, they are appointment viewing live events that people sit down to watch in real time, and two, people will sign up for services that have the content they want... the nfl. and, three, ad dollars for appointment tip are good.
whomever carries our games, they are going to be delivered linear. and likely also available on demand, after the fact.
the question is can a nontraditional player like apple deliver enough eyeballs to compete financially with the old school players.
the answer eventually is going to be yes, of course. we are in a time of change. content is becoming less bundled and more balkanized. if you haven't noticed, if you want to see every nfl game, you now need multiple subscriptions to different services. this may shake out some day into more content aggregation but who knows?
we don't need fox, nbc, or abc/espn because they can live broadcast or stream sports. everyone can do that now. they are currently interesting because they have the most captive eyeballs. this is changing.
and live sports can be a driver of change. the soccer deal that apple did draws new subs. a college football deal will draw new subs.
this idea that we will be invisible if we aren't carried by one of the original network content aggregators is false. and will become even less important over time.
do the deal that produces the most cash. "exposure" is a red herring in a shifting unpredictable landscape. be sure to have the flexibility to adjust depending on how things shake out.
ok, carry on.
here's a way to think of it...
basically there are 2 types of viewing... on demand and linear. on demand means you view it whenever you want. linear is appointment viewing, and in the context of this thread, people are specifically referring to live sports delivered in live time. all tv used to be linear, and included both live and not live content.
the second consideration isn't linear or on-demand, it is the delivery method--- broadcast, cable, sat, fiber. first everything was broadcast linear content. with cable came some on-demand, then recording devices came along allowing time shift and such.
the next consideration is who is delivering. traditional broadcasters like abc, nbc, and cbs had tremendous previous advantages as they were delivered free via ad support over the air and then they were also able cut lucrative carriage deals with various cable and other distributors like sat. these established players have power because they have reach to large audience and they get bundled pricing and ad dollars.
cord cutting is the next thing to consider. it used to be that if you wanted all the content you wanted, you had to sign up for cable or sat. they had content like hbo that wasn't available over the air but they also had all of the linear content people liked to view the most.
that takes us to this discussion. the reason live sports are valuable is they achieve 2 main things-- one, they are appointment viewing live events that people sit down to watch in real time, and two, people will sign up for services that have the content they want... the nfl. and, three, ad dollars for appointment tip are good.
whomever carries our games, they are going to be delivered linear. and likely also available on demand, after the fact.
the question is can a nontraditional player like apple deliver enough eyeballs to compete financially with the old school players.
the answer eventually is going to be yes, of course. we are in a time of change. content is becoming less bundled and more balkanized. if you haven't noticed, if you want to see every nfl game, you now need multiple subscriptions to different services. this may shake out some day into more content aggregation but who knows?
we don't need fox, nbc, or abc/espn because they can live broadcast or stream sports. everyone can do that now. they are currently interesting because they have the most captive eyeballs. this is changing.
and live sports can be a driver of change. the soccer deal that apple did draws new subs. a college football deal will draw new subs.
this idea that we will be invisible if we aren't carried by one of the original network content aggregators is false. and will become even less important over time.
do the deal that produces the most cash. "exposure" is a red herring in a shifting unpredictable landscape. be sure to have the flexibility to adjust depending on how things shake out.
ok, carry on.
The current situation with the shift in media reminds me of when people were up in arms over MNF and bowl games moving to ESPN and how so few people would watch.
and apple will have some exclusive wild card games this season.
oh no! people will realized if they want everything, they need to subscribe to multiple services. fact.
the idea that "no one" will see games delivered by nontraditional services is false. these services to some extent have smaller installed viewer bases but this is changing.
this is one of the many reasons the trad content aggregators are being careful about how they spend on guarantees for live sports and also why amazon or apple might be more aggressive to get the content.
and let me add, if the most compelling content continues to split into various siloes or gets spread among different providers like the nfl, then no one who refuses to pay for multiple services will have ALL the content they want.
these are the facts of the situation.
all the whining if we are not carried on the main ESPN netted is totally ridiculous in this context. no one has ALL of their content on the main channel in this new world order.
these are the facts of the situation.
all the whining if we are not carried on the main ESPN netted is totally ridiculous in this context. no one has ALL of their content on the main channel in this new world order.
That on-demand thing is a huge deal for me and that is how I could watch FCS football games from the recent weekends on Mondays. I might be doing that for CU games going forward but I still plan on catching the games live on Fox vs TCU & Nubs. Having all of that under one platform such as Apple TV+ would be great. That is my #1 option over ESPN+ because if it is ESPN+, you still have to subscribe to cable TV in addition to that (unless ESPN+ is included) in order to see all the games on demand. That would be an issue for the 2024 season if the ESPN direct to consumer platform launches in 2025. It would be good to have company with the ACC & SEC in that case. Big 12 would require ESPN DTC and Fox Sports DTC which would cost more overall.
That is why I liked MLS on Apple+ because I can watch the Rapids without the blackout on demand. I believe this is the best outcome for P12 fans and even recruits. Recruits cannot be in more than one place at the same time and watching games on demand would allow them to see how teams are doing in that case. If a recruit is considering P12 schools, that recruit can subscribe to the P12 channel on Apple TV+ and check on how teams are doing plus listen to those coaches shows.
Even when it's on, it's not as available as streaming gets you. When other programming runs long, their other contractual obligations kick in to complete the broadcast. Truck race not finished on FS1? Don't worry, we're airing your game on FS2 until that's over. Oh, you don't pay up for a package with FS2? Well, you can fvck right off. Same thing with ESPN and things getting pushed to ESPNU, ESPNN or The Ocho.
I'd rather have the flexibility to get what I want to watch and know that I'm actually going to be able to watch it in its entirety. I love streaming.
That on-demand thing is a huge deal for me and that is how I could watch FCS football games from the recent weekends on Mondays. I might be doing that for CU games going forward but I still plan on catching the games live on Fox vs TCU & Nubs. Having all of that under one platform such as Apple TV+ would be great. That is my #1 option over ESPN+ because if it is ESPN+, you still have to subscribe to cable TV in addition to that (unless ESPN+ is included) in order to see all the games on demand. That would be an issue for the 2024 season if the ESPN direct to consumer platform launches in 2025. It would be good to have company with the ACC & SEC in that case. Big 12 would require ESPN DTC and Fox Sports DTC which would cost more overall.
That is why I liked MLS on Apple+ because I can watch the Rapids without the blackout on demand. I believe this is the best outcome for P12 fans and even recruits. Recruits cannot be in more than one place at the same time and watching games on demand would allow them to see how teams are doing in that case. If a recruit is considering P12 schools, that recruit can subscribe to the P12 channel on Apple TV+ and check on how teams are doing plus listen to those coaches shows.
if you aren't typically watching in live time, you should be fine--- all of the providers we are likely to end up with are very likely to make all the games available after the fact on demand.
also, the concept of blackouts and restrictions are going away as these deals get renewed and changed. the old school broadcasters are losing their ability to negotiate these carve outs.
people who worry if we are not on one of the big 4 original content aggregators are worried about the wrong thing.
we need guaranteed money and not too long a deal so that we have options later as things evolve.
the rest is uncertain.
and if you are amazon or apple and commit to large guarantees for the pac, you bet your ass that they are going to throw marketing dollars behind it and treat it as a loss leader to build audience.... bundled with prime for example...
add in the complexity that we are likely seeing the pac negotiate with multiple providers to split up the content rights and you get a very ****ing complicated deal in a very fluid landscape with lots of uncertainty for the provider and for us.
the deal is going to get done. the only question is if the dollars are going to be right.
add in the complexity that we are likely seeing the pac negotiate with multiple providers to split up the content rights and you get a very ****ing complicated deal in a very fluid landscape with lots of uncertainty for the provider and for us.
the deal is going to get done. the only question is if the dollars are going to be right.
I was looking at the whole thing from the perspective of the cheapest & most convenient option for on demand watching and it would be Apple TV+ since I do not have a cable TV subscription because I do not believe it is worth the expense to do so because I have options such as videogames and that even is moving towards subscriptions. That is going to be amplified further by today's California Federal court ruling in the Microsoft vs FTC case which pretty much clears the way for Microsoft to buy Activision--Blizzard for nearly $70B. I believe the younger generation is orientated towards such a future.
I agree with you on that old school thinking in regards to TV...I suspect ITB is in that camp and his posts reflect that thinking.
Sports venues are there to make money and I think we are at the point where all sports will eventually end up behind a paywall so why not just go that route with Apple TV+ or ESPN DTC? Whatever deal the P12 comes up with will not please everyone.
sorry for the brief departure into logic and facts.
carry on.
Logic in this thread is like finding a needle in a haystack.
Yup. Streaming has its challenges but its much better content wise than the old ways, and its only getting better.
Victory
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I’ve long theorized fans experiences of going to a bar and not finding the game on their DirecTV setup is a hidden concern. NFL did everyone a huge favor w/ Amazon TFL. Also believe people are conflating prior P12N availability = poor streaming visibility in the future.