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Eric Bien(i)emy's next job speculation, shut out again
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hawg1
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ahoelsken
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Question for you-do you honestly believe McDumb**** is more qualified to be an NFL HC than Leftwich or EB are? I definitely do not.
You’re right that they’d rather win. The problem is who they always seem to put their faith in to achieve a SB win.
GMs are like others, they use their networks to hire people they trust. The disconnect is that the most qualified is rarely in that network and the network was built with bias.
For all his faults from his time in Denver, there is zero question that McDaniels is an offensive “genius”. His ability over the years to gameplan and play call to whatever the matchup is pretty amazing. He also just made Mac Jones a ROY candidate.
“Qualified” is not a term I would keep using in this argument. There are a lot of qualified guys, including McDaniels, and the Raiders new GM, who came from the Pats, hiring him as HC does not point to racism in any way, shape, or form.
I've never talked to any of them, I have no idea who the better coach would be.
bigbang2
blindslighted
Who recruited Marcus Houston and the kid that transfered to USF?Maybe good, not great.
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So he got Philip Lindsay, didn't know that.
Hopefully he didn't learn anything from his time with the Broncos. That would please me.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Yeah and for all the people decrying how unfair it is that EB may be looked upon unfavorably because of his disastrous stint at CU, I would remind them that McDaniels stint as Denver HC was even longer ago and he was younger at the time. If EB can learn to be a better coach with experience, maybe McDaniels can too?
ahoelsken
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You know who else was an "offensive genius"? Norv Turner. Just because a guy is a great coordinator doesn't mean they're going to be a great HC. On McDaniels-there's what happened in Denver. He was 5-17 after the 6-0 start his first year. That's pathetic. He did a god awful job with this roster. He got caught cheating. Let's talk about the Indianapolis fiasco now-how did that happen?
I don't really care about his record as an OC. His leadership skills are a huge issue. His integrity is a huge issue. His roster management is a huge issue. You can compare him to Sean McVay all you want-but I don't believe he's qualified to be an NFL head coach.
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One black HC and the Raiders hiring McDaniels has nothing to do with that. He is about as “qualified” as it gets if a team is willing to overlook his first 1.5 year stint when he was 32 years old.
ahoelsken
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Waiting for you to defend what happened between him and the Colts.
I don’t like McDaniels as a person. That also doesn’t make him “unqualified” to be a HC.
ahoelsken
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What about lacking in leadership and integrity? He checks both those boxes.
According to the new Raiders GM, yes. Does Byron Leftwich check those boxes and do you know this for sure?
ahoelsken
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Yeah same guy who worked with him in NE. Odds are that's Gruden and Mayock all over again.
Who knows? If I'm Mark Davis, I'm giving Leftwich a shot over anybody with Belichick connections.
Should Leftwich get a shot in Miami over Harbaugh? Should Leftwich or EB been hired in Denver over Hackett? Should Leftwich or EB been hired in NY over Daboll? Should EB have been hired in Cincy over Zac Taylor?
Are those hires made out of racism or just the ones that you (and others) decide are unqualified?
ahoelsken
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Jim Harbaugh has been to a Super Bowl. Nathaniel Hackett was getting an HC job in this cycle. Same with Daboll. Not hard to argue McDaniels isn't qualified and to wonder about the guy the Bears hired.
The manner and timing of Tucker’s departure couldn’t have done more damage to CUs program if he tried.
Hiring Belicheck assistants has been pretty close to a total failure including those who have gotten multiple opportunities. McD was a massive failure in Denver on multiple fronts yet gets multiple opportunities.
You can argue that this year the Black candidates weren't as qualified as the white candidates and in a small picture of this cycle you would probably be right.
The problem is that it isn't just this year, it's year after year after year. They keep finding excuses to hire white guys, most of whom fail in their jobs and then some of those get additional chances.
What has Fangio done that makes him a better candidate than Leftwich. If we are seeing every year that we don't have qualified Black candidates then it is on the system that develops the candidates. If EB isn't good enough why don't we have Black candidates that are?
You can argue that this year the Black candidates weren't as qualified as the white candidates and in a small picture of this cycle you would probably be right.
The problem is that it isn't just this year, it's year after year after year. They keep finding excuses to hire white guys, most of whom fail in their jobs and then some of those get additional chances.
What has Fangio done that makes him a better candidate than Leftwich. If we are seeing every year that we don't have qualified Black candidates then it is on the system that develops the candidates. If EB isn't good enough why don't we have Black candidates that are?
As I was saying yesterday, if only 10% of assistant coaches are black, then there is obviously a shortage of black coaches in the profession to begin with, which would render the whole “70% of the players are black…” narrative pretty irrelevant.
If 10% of coaching staffs are black then 3-4 black HCs in the league at any given time would be about right. Perhaps the emphasis should be placed on encouraging more black players get into coaching.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
That’s a completely different argument. You said this…
How exactly did CU’s hiring of Mel Tucker hurt the view that more black coaches should be hired?
Because Mel Tucker was so unprofessional as to how he handled his departure, he did much more damage to CU than Hawkins, Embree, EB, or Dorrell ever did.
Wrong thread
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
So you think the way Tucker handled his departure might make schools less like to hire black coaches?
Yesssssss
F u KC
F u KC
This is the thing. When you have a dribble coming into the pipeline don't expect a normal flow out the other end.
With each team having roughly say 20 assistant coaching positions including quality control positions the great majority of those coaches are never going to rise to a head coaching position. I don't have any idea of exactly what the number is but for argument let's say 1 out of ever 25 guys who gets a coaching position in the league will at some time get a chance to be a head coach.
That means that to have more than 2-3 legitimate candidates you have to greatly increase the number of guys coming in at the entry level positions. Beyond this you also need to make sure that those guys have a fair and equal chance to advance through the ranks on a normal career path leading to a head coaching job.
It isn't enough to have a Black RBs coach and another as an assistant strength coach. You need opportunities to become QB coaches, LB coaches, OL coaches, the jobs that provide the experience and lead to coordinator jobs.
I know that they are doing some. This year former Bronco Orlando Franklin participated in an internship program the league has specifically to give more Black former players an entry into the league. San Francisco ended up hiring him a few weeks after he returned to Denver. it will be interesting to see how his career develops and he is the kind of guy who could end up as a head coaching candidate in the future. Just need to see a lot more of this kind of thing and eventually get to the point where it doesn't take special programs to get qualified Black candidates in the door.