SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
When all the people in the organization who need to be “won over” are white guys, do you think it might be more difficult for a minority coach to be impressive in that room?
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Eric Bien(i)emy's next job speculation, shut out again
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If someone is impressive they will win over the room regardless of race or color. Hirings are made based on the content of their character, not by the color of their skin.Yes MLK said it.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
I think that is incredibly naive. Do you think a roomful of white guys and a roomful of more diverse backgrounds are impressed by the same presentation?
Yes. People want to keep injecting race into hires whenever it doesn't go their way but the most qualified and deserving candidate will end up getting get hired.
So maybe white guys go into coaching at a higher rate than black guys, which ultimately leads to more advancement opportunities, longer tenures, and ultimately more promotions? This is why the “70% of the players are black” argument has always rubbed me the wrong way. That may be true, but the skill set and personality for playing and coaching are completely different, not to mention the desire to go into coaching.
I don’t necessarily agree with the last part. Houston is possibly hiring Josh McCown who has zero coaching experience. However, I don’t think they are hiring him and not Bienemy because he’s white and EB is black. They just hired and then fired David Culley and Lovie Smith is expected to be retained.
ahoelsken
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Let's get one thing straight on the Texans-Houston might hire Josh McCown because Jack Easterby and Nick Caserio have their heads that far up their respective asses.
If that's not the worst run organization in professional sports right now.......who is?
I agree, which is my point. There are awful run organizations that hire coaches who don’t deserve to be hired, but it doesn’t mean they are hiring those individuals because they are white.
Is the difference in the racial make-up just an accident or is there something behind it that moves it that way.
I find it very hard to believe that Black players who love the game, dedicate themselves to the game, sacrifice for the game, suddenly decide that they aren't interested in continuing with the game in a coaching aspect.
Do they actually get the opportunities, do they get the same encouragement as white players do to continue with the game.
I'm not intimate with the game now in a way that would let me see what happens in the offices and the meeting rooms that leads to players going into coaching but I'm pretty certain that the sheer numbers make it awfully hard to argue that Black people get a similar level of encouragement and opportunity.
It’s not a maybe that the Broncos have had one of the least diverse coaching staffs and front offices recently.
ahoelsken
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I get that-but I don't hit them from that standpoint on the Hackett hire because NH was going somewhere this cycle (seemed like an educated guess based on what I heard). When it comes to a hire like.....Fangio was, yeah they should be shredded there.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
ahoelsken
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Sure-I mean I'd put the Broncos in that category from Kubiak's retirement through Paton's arrival. Case in point: What other NFL team would have interviewed, much less hired Vic Fangio as a HC in 2017? (If he's an actual candidate for Jacksonville, what's that say about Baalke? Jesus LOL) That being said, the numbers don't lie-One black HC. Two black OCs. The Bears hire who? McDip**** might get another go in Vegas. Talk about old white guys hiring people old white guys are comfortable with.
ahoelsken
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Is the guy I've never heard of who got the Bears job really the most qualified and deserving candidate? No ****ing way Mike McCarthy was the "most deserving and qualified" candidate to coach the Cowboys. No way the most qualified and deserving candidate for the Raider job is Josh McDaniels. Brandon Staley literally thought the Chargers out of a playoff berth. Is he the most qualified and deserving candidate? I doubt it-I wasn't impressed by them at all this past year.
bigbang2
blindslighted
CU hiring of Dan Hakwins, Coach MacIntyre.2 have not discouraged future hirings of white coaches.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
This is a weird take on a couple levels. Does anyone really think the failings of the Embree/EB and Dorrell tenures have anything to do with their race? The lesson isn’t stop hiring black coaches, it’s stop hiring woefully unqualified coaches that no one else in their right mind would hire.
And Tucker seems like a pretty damn good coach at this point so not sure why he would be included with the other two.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
I really hope you realize that’s an indictment of CU’s mismanagement of the football program, and that Dorrell’s 8-10 record is not something to be proud of. I fear you don’t realize that.
This is an idiotic take, especially after the way they handled the Kaepernick situation. Hate to burst your bubble: racism is still alive and well. It isn’t “playing the race card” to acknowledge this reality.
Inside the Broncos’ coaching search: How late nights, long flights, hours of meetings ended with Nathaniel Hackett’s hire
Broncos GM George Paton walks through the process of selecting his coach search committee and ultimately last week’s timeline that ended with Nathaniel Hackett being introduced on Friday.
www.denverpost.com
This is an interesting insight into how a NFL coaching search is conducted.
Fogo
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Wait? Kapernick is African American?
hawg1
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Low bar.
hawg1
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EB has the Andy Reid overhang. EB has the volatile, fiery overhang, EB has the nobody else wants him overhang. EB has the doesn’t interview well overhang. EB has the he’s not next in line at KC overhang.
No one issue disqualifies him. Taken collectively, it’s not a good profile IMO.
No one issue disqualifies him. Taken collectively, it’s not a good profile IMO.
Lol the guy arguing in favor of Kapernick is telling someone else they have a bad take. He is an average / below average quarterback who started whining the second he got benched. That's why he's not in the league, not racism. If you want to believe a GM would rather lose a Super Bowl with a white head coach than win one with a black head coach, you're fine to believe that but it's retarded
