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Finally > Kliavkoff P12 gets it

Thought about this as well. If TBS and TNT put together a CFB show like what they have with the NBA and now the NHL, that would be fantastic.

It's perfect for the P12 also -- they could come on before the later window game and again after like they do with the NBA playoffs before and after the west coast late night playoff games.

That said, the NBA show works because of an unbelievable chemistry between Chuck, EJ, and Kenny. You can't just recreate that. They'd need to have the right people. The NHL show does pretty well, but it's not the same thing.
 
It's perfect for the P12 also -- they could come on before the later window game and again after like they do with the NBA playoffs before and after the west coast late night playoff games.

That said, the NBA show works because of an unbelievable chemistry between Chuck, EJ, and Kenny. You can't just recreate that. They'd need to have the right people. The NHL show does pretty well, but it's not the same thing.
Agreed, they would need to find the right people to make it work, but there are so many out there that I think they could. I thought the NHL one was really good for the first season of it. Hockey is tough because it's just not as well known and there isn't anyone like Shaq or Barkley. Gretzky was awesome, but he doesn't have the personality of those two. Bissonette was great and that's the type of guy you need for CFB.
 
Agreed, they would need to find the right people to make it work, but there are so many out there that I think they could. I thought the NHL one was really good for the first season of it. Hockey is tough because it's just not as well known and there isn't anyone like Shaq or Barkley. Gretzky was awesome, but he doesn't have the personality of those two. Bissonette was great and that's the type of guy you need for CFB.
Bissonette was fantastic. Gretzky was fine, albeit incredibly biased. Dude said the Oilers would advance to the finals. Oops. I get it, though. Bottom line was that he was great for those broadcasts. He was terrific. How to replicate that in CFB? I dunno. Need some big personalities with strong ties to college football. Brian Bosworth comes to mind. What’s he doing these days, anyway?
Maybe Andrew Luck?
 
Agreed, they would need to find the right people to make it work, but there are so many out there that I think they could. I thought the NHL one was really good for the first season of it. Hockey is tough because it's just not as well known and there isn't anyone like Shaq or Barkley. Gretzky was awesome, but he doesn't have the personality of those two. Bissonette was great and that's the type of guy you need for CFB.
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No. Someone posted the timeline in another thread. He had more than a full year before Yormark was hired and the Big 12 was rudderless. He could have done something.
as nik says, the difference was yormark

look at the timeline

january - pac 12 announces scott is leaving
early july 2021 - kliavkoff succeeds scott
late july 2021 - ou and texas announce theyre leaving for the sec
april 2022 - bowlsby announces his retirement
july 2022 - usc and ucla announce theyre leaving for the big ten
august 2022 - big 12 hires yormark
october 2022 - big 12 reaches agreement with fox and espn on a new tv contract

theres like a 9-12 month window between july 2021 and july 2022 where the big 12 was rudderless and ripe for the picking, but it was game over as soon as yormark started. yormark knew he had to act quickly and decisively and that he had to secure the floor first to secure the future of the conference before he could start dreaming about the ceiling and that he had to get to the table with the networks and eat first before the pac 12 did. the pac 12 had its floor fall out while they were still dreaming about a higher ceiling. once the big 12 had secured his, there were only scraps left for the p12 as the networks had largely filled their inventory so it was pretty much checkmate. yormark knew he had to get what he could to secure the future of the conference, the pac 12 instead was still stuck in dreamland just like it essentially was for all of scott's tenure. the pac 12 forgot about today while dreaming about tomorrow.
 
No. Someone posted the timeline in another thread. He had more than a full year before Yormark was hired and the Big 12 was rudderless. He could have done something.
I really believe it's likely the LA schools had already made the deal when GK took his role.

They announced formally 10 months after GK was named commish, I don't think it's a reach to assume it was close to a done deal at least a year earlier. Bohn said talks began right after OU and UT announced they were leaving the XII.
 
I really believe it's likely the LA schools had already made the deal when GK took his role.

They announced formally 10 months after GK was named commish, I don't think it's a reach to assume it was close to a done deal at least a year earlier. Bohn said talks began right after OU and UT announced they were leaving the XII.
I don't think that they could have made up their minds on the timeline you suggest, because the B1G wasn't looking to expand until they felt a need to react to the SEC adding Texas and Oklahoma.
 
I know USC blocked expansion, but once they announced their departure, the PAC 12 should’ve merged with the remaining Big 12 members (KSU, KU, ISU, OSU, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, and WVU) to form a 20 member league. I think both OR and WA would have stayed in that league. Not sure if Cal and Furd would’ve supported it. Then there is Baylor issue too.

Kliavkoff may of had his hands tied. He should write a book.
 
I don't think that they could have made up their minds on the timeline you suggest, because the B1G wasn't looking to expand until they felt a need to react to the SEC adding Texas and Oklahoma.
ok, we don't really know. I may very well be off base.

be cool if it gets fully reported by credible sources some day.
 
ok, we don't really know. I may very well be off base.

be cool if it gets fully reported by credible sources some day.
USC was definitely sword rattling and demanding more money. UCLA and others were very public about budget needs (which were exacerbated by the pandemic). But I don't believe there was a year of secret negotiations and a deal in place long before the announcement like we saw with OU/UT-SEC.
 
I really believe it's likely the LA schools had already made the deal when GK took his role.

They announced formally 10 months after GK was named commish, I don't think it's a reach to assume it was close to a done deal at least a year earlier. Bohn said talks began right after OU and UT announced they were leaving the XII.
but yormark was dealt an even worse hand as the ou/ut departures werent just in the works when he signed, but a done deal. and yormark managed to save the conference, kliavkoff didnt. yormark knew he had to act and had to do so fast and he convinced the big 12 presidents to give him the green light. the p12 presidents were probably still suffering from delusions grandeur as larry scott sold them the "the big payday is coming, trust the process, keep the course!" bull**** for a decade while the conference was treading water and losing ground every single day, but the key thing is that yormark managed to get the right message across and get approval to get deals done asap while kliavkoff didnt ... one conference lived and another died as a result of their actions.
 
I get that it was Kliavkoff’s job to manage up, but I also get the feeling that the PAC 12 conference presidents were largely unmanageable with competing agendas. It’s a group that didn’t know what it wanted to be. Say what you will about the SEC, but it has an effective shared culture.

The PAC 12 reminds me of this quote of Seneca: If a man knows not to which port he sails, no wind is favorable.

 
I get that it was Kliavkoff’s job to manage up, but I also get the feeling that the PAC 12 conference presidents were largely unmanageable with competing agendas. It’s a group that didn’t know what it wanted to be. Say what you will about the SEC, but it has an effective shared culture.

The PAC 12 reminds me of this quote of Seneca: If a man knows not to which port he sails, no wind is favorable.
See what I said above, it was his job to do that.
 
See what I said above, it was his job to do that.
Yep. Larry Scott sold a vision. It was Kliatkoff's job to sell a new one. Unless - and this is entirely possible given what we know of the leadership of the PAC-12 - he was hired specifically to continue the Larry Scott vision that the old guard who were there when LS was hired was still enamored with and they had the seniority to politically dominate the board (*cough* *Oregon State* *cough*).
 
See what I said above, it was his job to do that.
No argument there, but some jobs are easy to manage and some aren’t. The PAC was clearly the latter.

We also know that the Colorado AD was clearly frustrated with the PAC 12 overall, almost from the outset.
 
No argument there, but some jobs are easy to manage and some aren’t. The PAC was clearly the latter.

We also know that the Colorado AD was clearly frustrated with the PAC 12 overall, almost from the outset.
His fault for accepting the job.

I think no one is gonna argue that Kliavkoff wasn't dealt a bad hand to begin with, Nik and I both laid out the problems above, he a) had to change the P12 leadership's thinking and wake them up from the Larry Scott dreamland that all they had to do was keep the course and their patience would be rewarded while they were losing ground on their competitors every single day as the P12 was facing an existential threat if they waited any longer with the TV deals, b) keep programs that were shopping around in the fold by doing so and c) ideally try to poach from the Big 12 when it was very vulnerable after the OU/UT departures. He did none of that.

Yormark was dealt an even worse hand as his 2 premier programs had just jumped ship, but he did a) and that allowed him to do c) as the P12 was still daydreaming.
 
You can say all you want about Yormark being able to hold his schools together while Kliavkoff couldn't but the Big-12 schools didn't have any other option while half the Pac-12 (USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal) had better or equal options to the old Pac-12.

At the end of the day, USC decided to take out years of terrible internal decision with their football program on the rest of the conference and ultimately it didn't really matter who was in charge. It was going to be a **** show.

At the end of the day I still see the 8-conference game, November FCS school playing SEC as the real issue. They only think of themselves, they think they are the only ones that matter and that isn't going to change anytime soon until all of college football restructures and these conferences go away. Inviting two top tier programs into an already deep conference and then bitching about those teams having more losses has made the last couple weeks, but especially 24 hours so god damn funny. Seriously, what did they expect to happen? one undefeated team and 3 11-1 teams?
 
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