You should recheck your math.
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Mel Tucker leaves CU for Michigan State
- Thread starter ElCunado
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You know we haven’t made the NCAA tournament since 2016, right? Have any players currently on our roster been to an NCAA tournament? I don’t care about the distant past. I care about the current crop of players. You’ve let past success deceive you on current performance. Again, we are never going to agree.
Come on man. You'd have some credibility if you just admitted you screwed up the math. I'm gonna help you out. He's been to the tourney 4 times. This is his 10th year. If he gets to the tourney this year, will he be closing in on 25% or some other number?
The question is... did you misrepresent the numbers on purpose to strengthen your argument or do you just not know how many times he's been to the tournament?
MCskid
Well-Known Member
No one can blame the guy for taking the money and running with it. It's how he left that's so wired. Why on God's green earth would you agree to the job on Monday and then spend all day Tuesday going on three different radio stations telling everyone how committed to CU you are while your agent and lawyer are ironing out the details on your contract. Why would you ruin your reputation on the way out when all you had do was stay quiet and not say anything one way or the other.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
Tad has his lifestyle. He enjoys it. He’s not cut out for a top tier program. He knows it. That’s good for him. And for CU fans that think this is good, well I guess it’s good, to you.
Meaning he refuses to cheat?
hawg1
Well-Known Member
Is 4/10 good? Yikes.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
I didn’t say that at all. He’s just not cut out for the top tier. Not everybody is. It’s OK. I love lieutenants. I love generals more.
Guess how many programs nationally did better than 4/10.
Wait, so you are saying that people who value other stuffs more than money DO exist? It's just when they do, you automatically mark them as not ambitious.
Got it.
At CU? Hell yes it is. And it's about to be 5/11.
5/10.
Yes, but apparently that means they're not ambitious.
WarBuff
Club Member
25%?
No. I only care about what’s happened lately. I’ve stated this point many times. I think he should go because we’ve missed the tournament three straight years. I checked the roster of the 2016 team; I don’t see anybody on the current roster on that team. I didn’t misrepresent any numbers. I only care about what’s happened lately. As I’ve said, I only care about what a college coach has done for me lately.
So IF they make the NCAA's this year, they'll be at 100%? That sounds good to me.
GoldenSkier
Well-Known Member
Ok I think i understand but still fuzzy on one thing- do you look past their previous accomplishments and look at what they’ve done recently?
Feel as you’ll feel. I give up arguing with y’all about our mediocre bball coach.
Stolen from Rward at 247. This is Just the P6, so the % is skewed but I think it's fair to compare CU to this group. If you wanted to expand it to all 360 teams, I think 25% would be way in the rearview mirror.
NCAA appearances since Tad was hired (9 years) - P6 (including the Big East - 71 teams):
9:
Duke
Kansas
Michigan State
North Carolina
8:
Kentucky
Michigan
Villanova
Wisconsin
7:
Arizona
Florida
Iowa State
Kansas State
Ohio State
Purdue
Syracuse
Virginia
6:
Baylor
Louisville
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Oregon
Texas
UCLA
West Virginia
5:
Florida State
Marquette
Minnesota
Providence
Xavier
4:
Butler
Colorado
Georgetown
Indiana
Iowa
Maryland
Miami
Missouri
NC State
Oklahoma State
Pittsburgh
Seton Hall
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
3:
Arizona State
Arkansas
California
Creighton
St. John's
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
USC
Virginia Tech
2:
Alabama
Auburn
Clemson
Georgia
Illinois
LSU
Utah
Washington
1:
Mississippi State
Nebraska
North Carolina State
Northwestern
Ole Miss
Oregon State
Penn State
South Carolina
Stanford
TCU
Wake Forest
29 have made more appearances than CU. 42 the same or less.
What you expect or care about is a moving target. Maybe you should just leave the subject alone since you can't defend your point and are either wrong or make up facts to fit your argument. and if saying 4/10 or 5/10 is "approaching 25%" is not misrepresenting the numbers, than you also don't know English. If all you care about is what a coach has done recently, well, you probably should stop calling Tad mediocre. He's currently got a team that is 16/360. Top 5%.
WarBuff
Club Member
I was referring to your previous post, didn't mean to make you work for the correct answer.
Past performance is cool for nostalgia, but it is the past. It is dead. I don’t care that Tad Boyle was a good coach in 2012. I care about this year. Even if I say let’s give him some rope for a few years, it’s been three straight years of sub standard performance.
I get it: this is his strategy. He wanted Colorado to get old and make a run after several years out of the picture. I don’t think that’s good enough. Many folks here disagree. I am ok with that.
I didn't mean to step into your argument, but I thought the rationale was funny.
My opinion doesn't mean anything, but I think Tad's definitely an above average coach, where post season should be an expectation every year (either NIT or NCAA). I think he's well above mediocre, but he's not elite. I see the cap of his best teams around elite 8, which to me is pretty damn good. I think he's gaining ground on the P12 and should be fighting for conference championships more regularly in the near future. If we were in the B1G, his team's performance would be much lower. So if the basis of comparison is there, I can see where the frustration level would increase.
I am not going to talk with you anymore about this. 5/10 isn’t good enough for me. One unicorn season after getting an old team isn’t good enough for me. It is for you.
I’m sorry, keeping your word, doing what you said you’d do, what people relied upon you to do is not “impossible” in light of an unexpected offer of big money.
If it is “impossible to refuse” the big offer looming out there, then your commitment to anyone, your word, your character is meaningless. What if Giselle decided I was far more fun to be with than her stodgy QB husband? My wife should plan on dinners alone from now on?
And there are plenty of examples of people with the character to turn down huge pay days or enticing offers because they already made a commitment, even had what they needed (though fewer these days, it seems): e.g., Billy Beane, turned down an offer to be the highest paid executive in sports to stay with the A’s and fight the good fight, for one.
And let’s talk about that extra money, over and above the $14+ million contract five year he already had for keeping his word, being who he told kids he was.... Once he owns a really great house in Boulder, say $2 million. How much gold-leaf will his family have to burn through in their lives to tap out that bank account before paying for his kid’s college and leaving a massing estate behind? What horrible investment plan is he setting up? What freakn’ Robin Leach-ass lifestyle is so essential for the rest of their lives, that sacrificing his character, honesty, and integrity is “impossible to refuse”?
And who thinks that kids who are left huge fortunes by their parents end up as great successes themselves? Huge pots of money are not the end-all, be-all of “taking care of your family.”
It’s not impossible to live your life by your word AND take great care of your family AND not screw people over and lie to them when a big bag of money lands in your path.
When did this idea that enough money can justify any action become part of the American idiom?
It’s not like his family was on the street, living hand to mouth, starving; and someone came up and said, “Hey, why don’t you ass-mule these drugs to Panama, and I’ll set your family up for life.” Who knows, maybe there’s an ethical argument as to it being impossible not to choose ass-muling in that case.
But, he had a $14 million dollar contract already! And he would keep it, enjoy it, maybe expand it as a fairly young coach; all for keeping his word, being a the man of character he claimed to be.
How have we created a system where that is deemed “impossible”?
241Volcanos
Well-Known Member
For not liking Trump, you sure say a lot of similar sh*t.
I think MT’s agent put MSU together for a grand slam deal - likely one better than what Fickell got because he capitalized on their desperation.
Let’s assume he got the same offer MT agreed to take. There’s no way that Fickell can be labeled as ambitious because he declined a legitimate opportunity to compete for a playoff berth/championship to stay at a G5 program.