What makes you think he is capable to run a FCS program? Two years of high school coaching? Playing in the NFL?
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jizzrag85
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what makes any coach capable? They have to learn somewhere, although I generally agree with your point. He shouldn’t go from high school to head coach, he should be a coordinator first. Walt Weiss did it lol.
His first task will be to assemble a staff. Who are his contacts? Is he going to hire a bunch of high school guys because he doesn’t know anybody else to hire? Will he go to the coaches convention and try to convince guys he’s never met and who have options to relocate to Greeley?
so many ways this ends in disaster. So many things he has to overcome just to be an average FCS level coach. This is like watching the train pull out of the station when you absolutely know it’s going to crash spectacularly. You are just waiting to see it happen.
so many ways this ends in disaster. So many things he has to overcome just to be an average FCS level coach. This is like watching the train pull out of the station when you absolutely know it’s going to crash spectacularly. You are just waiting to see it happen.
ahoelsken
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I'm an alum-I was hoping they'd find a way to lure John Wristen up there from Pueblo, but that name didn't pop up from what I heard. This is a hell of a lot better than Marty English or some other guy with ties to the school. Went that way with Earnest Collins and he gave them 0-11 in 2011, 1-10 in 2012, 2-9 in 2018, and 2-10 this year. ........Eddie Mac can't be a lot worse. Credit to their AD for doing something bold at least.
The fact is he is/was an okay HS coach. Ask around. He had the keys to a Porsche and they went through the season in 2nd gear. Their schedule was mediocre and they probably should have dropped two more games if not for the fact they simply had way better talent than their opponents. Not a big fan of this guy either, but Dave Logan could probably do the job 100000000x better than Ed.
But TrAiNwReCk is on the way!
I am not going to pretend to have much insight into UNC football, but this is easily the most discussion I have seen about that program on this site.
That's because this site holds an unhealthy amount of animosity toward the McCaffrey name
Wristen has his own PR problems. He'll stay at CSU-Pueblo because he's successful there and if he left no one would likely be interested. Just sayin'...
And honestly, CSU-Pueblo would probably go to the wire with UNC these days.
ahoelsken
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I had to go back and google that-I knew they stunk, but I didn't know it was that bad. They're talking UNC Football on 104.3 because of this hire. Zero risk, very high reward hire. He can't make that thing much worse than it is ATM.
ahoelsken
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If you put the two of them on the same field tomorrow and handed me a benjamin with the condition that I had to bet it-I'm taking CSUP.
Give me Mines, too.
ahoelsken
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They need to focus on being a basketball school, and that program's in pretty good hands with Jeff Linder right now.
What years were you there?
I've always told my wife, if we ever hit the power ball, the two sports programs I am donating to is UNC men's basketball and CU football.
ahoelsken
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'05-'10. Former Fusker assistant Scott Downing was there that whole time.
I’m struggling with the narrative that says it can’t get any worse. That’s a really bad reason to hire a guy. “Well, we can’t get any worse, why not hire a guy who will create some buzz for a week or two and hope it works out”.
that makes no sense to me at all.
that makes no sense to me at all.
Nice. '01-'05 for me
A week or two? Sure.
We shall see. However, this gets people talking about their program in state, where it was completely non-existent before. That can mean a lot, especially with in state recruiting. I don't think he is that great of a coach, from what I have heard. If he can find good coordinators and assistants, I think he can do well.
Unless there is some sort of scandal, taking a shot in the dark like this really doesn't hurt anything. He will get people excited if nothing else (see exact opposite of the CSU hire).
You’re right. The buzz will probably die off in a day or two.
They've been over .500 twice since 2005. I didn't go any further back. They were 6-5 in both those years that they were over .500. It can't get any worse.
The local media will likely cover UNC some on signing day, during spring practices, fall practices, and some games this fall. But hey, basically a day or two.
White_Rabbit
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If 104.3 thought their ratings were bad with CU and CSU, they are in for a surprise with UNC.
You never knew you'd talk so much UNCO football!
Both hires have a major trainwreck potential but the UNC hire was a much better hire for the situation.
Both hires were forced to be questionable because of financial constraints.
CSU hired a retread who had seen some success at a place that had a lot of limitations, a worse situation that CSU is. They were forced to go to a guy like him because with sagging attendance, limited media money, and a big buyout on Bobo they couldn't afford to do better.
In the past they have gone the P5 coordinator route but now the top guys in those jobs make more than CSU can pay and don't need a G5 job to get good P5 jobs. Instead they got a guy who was dumped from a HC job and was willing to do what he needed to get back to being a HC.
CSU also has a history of hiring coaches with questionable prior conduct (Earl Bruce, Larry Eustachy ) who both came back to bite them with bad publicity. The BC weren't sad to see this guy go and he brings that same potential to Ft. Collins.
Add that he doesn't have recruiting contacts in the primary recruiting areas for CSU and he isn't a name that will get the alums/donors excited he looks like a solid miss.
McCaffree to UNC has some of those same problems. McCaffree has never recruited at the college level, hasn't coached at the college level, and has a lot of people who know him who aren't impressed. He is though for UNC a much better hire that the CSU hire because he brings some name recognition to them.
They are also in money problems, their budget isn't enough to really stay competitive with the top of the Big Sky. They weren't going to be able to afford an experienced, winning coach at the FCS level.
Part of their issue is that for much of Colorado they are a non-entity. They haven't won much since going to FCS and they get almost zero media attention. CSU-Pueblo is a division below them but gets much more media attention (and would likely beat them if they played.)
If Ed can be successful will depend a lot on if he can find a good staff (on the cheap) and if they can recruit. No his sons aren't going to transfer to Greeley but it wouldn't surprise me if some other Valor kids who got less notice and went to some less notable places did transfer in. As others have mentioned at a minimum his Bronco ties and being Christians dad may open some doors to him.
One thing I have heard from multiple different people is that he is obsessive when he does something. If he wants to be a successful college coach (and who takes the job in Greeley if they don't really want to coach) he will put a full effort into it.
He will still probably fail but the same could be said for anyone who would have been willing to take that job. At least they get a guy who might be successful and even if he isn't who significantly raises the level of awareness of the program.
Both hires were forced to be questionable because of financial constraints.
CSU hired a retread who had seen some success at a place that had a lot of limitations, a worse situation that CSU is. They were forced to go to a guy like him because with sagging attendance, limited media money, and a big buyout on Bobo they couldn't afford to do better.
In the past they have gone the P5 coordinator route but now the top guys in those jobs make more than CSU can pay and don't need a G5 job to get good P5 jobs. Instead they got a guy who was dumped from a HC job and was willing to do what he needed to get back to being a HC.
CSU also has a history of hiring coaches with questionable prior conduct (Earl Bruce, Larry Eustachy ) who both came back to bite them with bad publicity. The BC weren't sad to see this guy go and he brings that same potential to Ft. Collins.
Add that he doesn't have recruiting contacts in the primary recruiting areas for CSU and he isn't a name that will get the alums/donors excited he looks like a solid miss.
McCaffree to UNC has some of those same problems. McCaffree has never recruited at the college level, hasn't coached at the college level, and has a lot of people who know him who aren't impressed. He is though for UNC a much better hire that the CSU hire because he brings some name recognition to them.
They are also in money problems, their budget isn't enough to really stay competitive with the top of the Big Sky. They weren't going to be able to afford an experienced, winning coach at the FCS level.
Part of their issue is that for much of Colorado they are a non-entity. They haven't won much since going to FCS and they get almost zero media attention. CSU-Pueblo is a division below them but gets much more media attention (and would likely beat them if they played.)
If Ed can be successful will depend a lot on if he can find a good staff (on the cheap) and if they can recruit. No his sons aren't going to transfer to Greeley but it wouldn't surprise me if some other Valor kids who got less notice and went to some less notable places did transfer in. As others have mentioned at a minimum his Bronco ties and being Christians dad may open some doors to him.
One thing I have heard from multiple different people is that he is obsessive when he does something. If he wants to be a successful college coach (and who takes the job in Greeley if they don't really want to coach) he will put a full effort into it.
He will still probably fail but the same could be said for anyone who would have been willing to take that job. At least they get a guy who might be successful and even if he isn't who significantly raises the level of awareness of the program.
The hire created some short term buzz, for sure. I personally think that’s a terrible justification to hire a football coach.You never knew you'd talk so much UNCO football!
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