But only one group has billions on the line. Sure, colleges do to, but in a different way in a system that grew organically. And colleges are presumably in the business of education. NFL owners are in the business of raking in truckloads of cash.
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Official realignment thread - SEC formally invites OU and Texas to join the conference in 2025
hawg1
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I’m not sure how you ask current B1G teams to take a pay cut to take on the likes of Wazzu, CU and Oregon State.
My last hope for all this:
- SEC schools break away from the rest and become the "NFL D-league" they seemingly want to be
- The rest maintain some semblance of amateurism
- True CFB fans, and their spending, and their donations, stay loyal to their alma mater
- Wal Mart fans eventually decide they'd rather watch the real NFL than a D-league
- Over (a long) time, the SEC collapses due to lack of funding and the remaining schools get back to the college football we had in the past
Sure, Texas has money, slick uniforms, an awesome logo and is located in a cool city. But the on-field performance does not match the reverence with which the "brand" of Texas is breathlessly discussed.
You know how many Top 10 finishes Texas has in the past 11 years? One. It finished No. 9 in 2018 with a 10-4 record after upsetting Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. Texas snapped a 10-year streak of losing at least four regular-season games last season, when it went 6-3.
You know what other schools have one top 10 finish in the past 11 years? Cincinnati. Iowa State, Minnesota. Washington State. Houston. Iowa. Baylor. Mississippi State. Arizona. Missouri. This is who Texas keeps company with nowadays.
You know who has MORE than one top 10 finish over the past 11 years? TCU (4). Stanford (4). Michigan State (3). UCF (2). You know how many SEC teams have more than one? Seven. And that doesn’t include Oklahoma.
Texas was unranked in the final AP poll five straight seasons from 2013 to 2017. Does that sound like royalty?
Sure, Texas has money, slick uniforms, an awesome logo and is located in a cool city. But the on-field performance does not match the reverence with which the "brand" of Texas is breathlessly discussed.
You know how many Top 10 finishes Texas has in the past 11 years? One. It finished No. 9 in 2018 with a 10-4 record after upsetting Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. Texas snapped a 10-year streak of losing at least four regular-season games last season, when it went 6-3.
You know what other schools have one top 10 finish in the past 11 years? Cincinnati. Iowa State, Minnesota. Washington State. Houston. Iowa. Baylor. Mississippi State. Arizona. Missouri. This is who Texas keeps company with nowadays.
You know who has MORE than one top 10 finish over the past 11 years? TCU (4). Stanford (4). Michigan State (3). UCF (2). You know how many SEC teams have more than one? Seven. And that doesn’t include Oklahoma.
Texas was unranked in the final AP poll five straight seasons from 2013 to 2017. Does that sound like royalty?
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Sure, Texas has money, slick uniforms, an awesome logo and is located in a cool city. But the on-field performance does not match the reverence with which the "brand" of Texas is breathlessly discussed.
You know how many Top 10 finishes Texas has in the past 11 years? One. It finished No. 9 in 2018 with a 10-4 record after upsetting Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. Texas snapped a 10-year streak of losing at least four regular-season games last season, when it went 6-3.
You know what other schools have one top 10 finish in the past 11 years? Cincinnati. Iowa State, Minnesota. Washington State. Houston. Iowa. Baylor. Mississippi State. Arizona. Missouri. This is who Texas keeps company with nowadays.
You know who has MORE than one top 10 finish over the past 11 years? TCU (4). Stanford (4). Michigan State (3). UCF (2). You know how many SEC teams have more than one? Seven. And that doesn’t include Oklahoma.
Texas was unranked in the final AP poll five straight seasons from 2013 to 2017. Does that sound like royalty?
Depends on what you define as a "cool city" try not getting panhandled under every overpass...yea it's cool.
Down years at UT over the last decade we would've gladly traded for.
If you're going to split the sheets narrow it down to top 5 much more realistic when it comes to exposure and conference payouts.
241Volcanos
Well-Known Member
Didn’t realize Wazzu and OSU won national titles and operated in top 15 market. Great company.
yes, which i have always found amusing. here are all these billionaires produced by capitalism or inherited wealth and they choose this model.
by the way, on the dilution argument that more teams hurt the per team revenue if the big 10 expanded to 32 (not your argument but someone else i think). i have given that more thought and, on its face, it appears to be true, but try this one on:
if the big 32 is comprised of the big and the p12 plus some texas schools and a few others, that combined footprint is worth a lot more than the current big 10 footprint. yes, ratings per market are not equal, but if you have regular conference games, michigan v. colorado, for example, you are going to draw more eyeballs than previously. and, remember, in my 32 scenario, we are competing heads up with the sec. we are not playing sec teams. so the networks have a lot of space to fill. also, just using plug numbers, suppose it looks like this:
sec goes to 32 raiding the acc and big 12 and inks new deal that pays 100mm a team a year or something crazy.
big and pac go to 32, as described above, and their new deal is worth 75mmm a team or something crazy. sure, there is a theoretical competitive disadvantage if (1) we are playing sec teams (which we are not) and (2) if we are competing for recruits regularly (yes, but, there are going to be plenty of blue chips in our footprint that want to play in our footprint AND who cares if the sec gets more NFL ready guys if we aren't playing them heads up. this doesn't have to be a farm system for the nfl.
we can try to hold on to some of the pretense and pageantry of what makes cfb so awesome and let the mercenaries do their own thing, away from us.
Not to mention the impact of COVID-19 on athletic budgets going down to the middle & high schools. Football is the most expensive sport and there will be serious consideration to cutting the sport and putting in soccer.
(replying to the decreasing popularity of football out west)
(replying to the decreasing popularity of football out west)
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
I think two things allowed them to: 62-36 and CU's (who helped Fusker carry the old Big 8) downfall.
Agree.
A higher level of competition both develops better talent for the league and also makes it easier for the league to evaluate that talent prior to investing draft picks and money into the players.
It is also likely that concentrating the top talent will concentrate coverage and media attention thus developing more recognizable players prior to coming into the league making it easier to promote the NFL.
This also would give the NFL a better look at what a future minor league/developmental league might look like. At the same time reducing the number of college programs at the top level opens up multiple markets for potential franchises in that minor/developmental league.
Allowed them to what? We didn't have **** to do with the SWC or what's going on now. This is all Texas and their ****ing outsized egos.
Think that was from Geoff schwartz from being around media day.
You’re assuming they would have to. I’m not convinced. Take the B12 out of the equation, there’s fewer conferences to negotiate with. Sure, take ESPN and ABC out of the potential pool of media partners. You don’t think all or a combination of CBS, NBC (assuming ND is part of the conference at that point), Fox and P12 net couldn’t make up for the difference between what the B1G is making now and what the PAC is making? At worst, I think it would be a wash. At best, I believe the revenue would actually increase for the B1G member schools while simultaneously providing them increased leverage.
That's not even counting the younger generations being less interested and invested in sports in general. Sports viewing and live sports attendance seems to be declining across the board.
I would LOL with you, but if there is some kind of mass defection from the PAC, CU is likely to be on the outside looking in. The only way this doesn't end poorly for the Buffs is if the conference stays intact, expands, or joins the B1G as a whole. Any partial defection by USC, Oregon, Washington, et al is bad news.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
No. My point is the Big 12 was alot stronger in the late 90s/early 2000s because NU was peak nubs and we were more consistently good than we are ATM. Texas would not have been able to get away with what they have the last 10 years
They would have found a way. Much like nature finding a way, Texas finds a way to blow **** up because that's what they do. I never thought they could potentially take down NCAA football, though.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
Your CU blinders are clearly impacting your reality. Always have.
What do you think about this set-up ?
The Big 8 Division: Baylor, Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU and Texas Tech. (Reuniting Colorado with some old Big 8/Big 12 rivals is a fun twist, plus it kind of works out geographically.)
The Pac-8 Division: Arizona, Arizona State, BYU (or maybe Boise State, if the Cougars want to remain independent), Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington and Washington State.
Would this new conference generate enough interest/tv revenue?
Leistikow: How an 18-team Big Ten could work in college football's realigning world
A westward expansion, three six-team divisions and a super-conference merger between remaining teams in the Pac-12 and Big 12.
www.hawkcentral.com
The Big 8 Division: Baylor, Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU and Texas Tech. (Reuniting Colorado with some old Big 8/Big 12 rivals is a fun twist, plus it kind of works out geographically.)
The Pac-8 Division: Arizona, Arizona State, BYU (or maybe Boise State, if the Cougars want to remain independent), Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington and Washington State.
Would this new conference generate enough interest/tv revenue?
I'm confused by your conflicting desires. If you want CFB fans to stay loyal to their alma mater, the SEC schools (D-league or not) will still be getting their funding. So where is the loss of money stemming from?
Not only that, wasn't the commish at NBC Sports for a while? Gotta think Peacock wants live streaming events past ND...
hawg1
Well-Known Member
I stopped at WVU joins ACC. They tried that. Nada said Duke, UNC, UVA.What do you think about this set-up ?
Leistikow: How an 18-team Big Ten could work in college football's realigning world
A westward expansion, three six-team divisions and a super-conference merger between remaining teams in the Pac-12 and Big 12.www.hawkcentral.com
The Big 8 Division: Baylor, Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU and Texas Tech. (Reuniting Colorado with some old Big 8/Big 12 rivals is a fun twist, plus it kind of works out geographically.)
The Pac-8 Division: Arizona, Arizona State, BYU (or maybe Boise State, if the Cougars want to remain independent), Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington and Washington State.
Would this new conference generate enough interest/tv revenue?