Yes, the wording wasn't clear. But they're still losing 10 scholarships per year right? And when do they have do get down to 65?
http://ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/20120723/21207231
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Sandusky update (more evidence against Joe P)
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Yes, the wording wasn't clear. But they're still losing 10 scholarships per year right? And when do they have do get down to 65?
http://ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/20120723/21207231
Idot Buff
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Did you listen to Brandon Noble interview on ESPN? What a knucklehead. He just doesn't get it.
Yeah Penn St. wasnt gonna appeal, heard that Pres say theyd reopen the case if they did, something like that. Heard Katz talking about the reason no tv ban, all about tv deals and stuff, ncaa has no say over it more or less.
Could be wrong but isnt it they have to be at 65 no matter what?
I'm assuming that the teams that they play would have a huge problem with a tv ban.
Yeah. I think that there's something with the players now not counting so they would have to cut players to get under 65. I think people are understimating how much the 65 limit will play an impact.
It looks to me like they did this who thing to cause the lease possible interefearance with other teams. No TV ban, no ban on OOC games, no reduction in home games.
It was implied earlier on the watchespn broadcast. The only thing I think they could fire at them is maybe losing some TV revenue.
I think ESPN said there was going to be a press conference. I think that I just saw that they Penn St won't get a portion of the bowl revenue, maybe that was their punishment.
There will be a financial crater where Penn State once stood. The $60MM is like 3% of their endowment, plus you factor in lost future revenue, whatever the Big10 hands down, and of course the millions that the victims will get.
I would be pissed if a was a Penn taxpayer.
I would be pissed if a was a Penn taxpayer.
This. Most meaningless punishment ever.
CanadianDuck
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I would have liked to see Penn State lose more scholarships, but it was nice to see the NCAA take a stand for once.
Doing something is better than doing nothing which is what they usually aim at with the major schools.
JimmyBuff
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I agree. Taking money away and trying to rewrite history by taking away wins from Joe Pa means nothing to me.
You shut down the program today for a year than it would have been felt.
They essentially shut down the program for 4 years. Recruiting will be a nonexistant for the next 2 or 3, before they get the opportunity to pickup again in the 4th year. I don't think a lot of kids want to go to a school where they aren't going to have the chance to play for a bowl appearance or a championship. I also expect the school to do some things internally that may stifle the program.
As far as scholarship reductions are concerned, they got the same thing USC did just one more year, and USC is expected to contend for the MNC this year. The bowl/postseason ban is another matter because it's 2 years more than what USC got, so this will probably affect them mostly in the first couple of years, but in a year or 2 the recruiting will likely to start to recover because at that point the incoming kids will be eligible to play in the postseason in their 3rd and/or 4th years.
Several years ago, people said that USC's penalties would be crippling.
I would have liked to have seen everything this scandal touched (no pun intended) shut down for a significant period of time coupled with bowl bans and fines and such. After say five years or so, they would apply with the NCAA to reinstate whatever was shut down. In such application they would need to demonstrate the systems and controls in place for something like this (or any other different offenses) to never happen again. Furthermore, they should be put on some type probation after reinstatement (for say 10-20 years), where if any significant violations occur you could say goodbye to D1 athletics entirely at PSU.
It seems to me this was not just a football issue. This was an AD (as a whole) and university issue. Everything should be punished. A message should have been sent in a very punitive way.
PSU football has plenty of support and they will recover quickly from this. These types of sanctions did absolutely nothing to USC. At this point USC is encouraged to cheat.
It seems to me this was not just a football issue. This was an AD (as a whole) and university issue. Everything should be punished. A message should have been sent in a very punitive way.
PSU football has plenty of support and they will recover quickly from this. These types of sanctions did absolutely nothing to USC. At this point USC is encouraged to cheat.
Isn't the NCAA considering dropping total scholarships from 85 to 80? If they do that, it will help PSU a little.
One aspect of this that bugs me is, "How can the NCAA act so quickly and decisively in this case, yet drag other investigations (USC, Miami, Oregon) on forever?" This, PSU, is the way they should do things. Quick and to the point. Stop pissing around.
One aspect of this that bugs me is, "How can the NCAA act so quickly and decisively in this case, yet drag other investigations (USC, Miami, Oregon) on forever?" This, PSU, is the way they should do things. Quick and to the point. Stop pissing around.
The situations aren't the same IMO. PSU doesn't recruit to the same effect as USC anyway. Additionally, there is a far more debilitating stigma attached to the transgressions at PSU. Finally, there is a huge financial component to all this that is going to play out over the next couple years.
I don't think PSU will be down for very long - but I also think the punishment was quite harsh. I wouldn't have complained if it was harsher, but this is going to be tough for them to handle.
It stuns me that people keep forgetting that the USC just started their 3 year schollie sanction. The bowl ban is over, and they are still enjoying the depth they have PRIOR to the scholarship sanctions beginning. They will have a major dropoff next year after all of those starters are gone and they have vastly reduced depth. Their quality of athlete coming in is amazing, which I won't argue, but the quantity is where they are going to be taking it in the shorts.