While Pennsylvania isn't quite Cali, Florida or Texas....they have some talent.
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Sandusky update (more evidence against Joe P)
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While Pennsylvania isn't quite Cali, Florida or Texas....they have some talent.
They do have some, but you figure that they would have to rely on local players mostly. Is there enough to build a team?
Between PA, OH, mid-Atlantic states, and NJ? Absolutely.
77buff
Well-Known Member
The $60 million fine is cump change for Penn State. The loss of the schlorships will hurt more than anything, but again considering that this was the biggest disgrace in the history of college athletics. A coverup that included the head football coach, the administrators and the president of the university - Penn State got off easy. They should have got the death penalty. The NCAA shows again why it needs to go.
Not enough but what else do you expect from the NCAA?
That are willing to look past the penalties and not go to another local school?
77buff
Well-Known Member
Absolutely not, they would have lost alot more than $60 million, and the current players would have transferred. They would be starting from scratch.
Taking away the wins is pure BS - smoke and mirrors.
You don't think the current players aren't going to transfer anyway?
Incorrect. More players will transfer with this punishment.
I agree with Duff, I think it would be weaker. Only way I would have used the death penalty is added it to everything else. I think the money, for Penn St anyway, is nothing. There really is no comarison, in alot of ways, between smu and penn st.
I like this punishment because it spreads out everything over time. If you shut it down for a year, then in 2 years you get that image of the player holding hands walking out to a raucous stadium as the team is the feel good story of getting through this tough tragedy that was inflicted upon them - the football team.
You don't get that with this. This is a long, torturous punishment which is going to be felt over the next 4 - 7 years
You don't get that with this. This is a long, torturous punishment which is going to be felt over the next 4 - 7 years
Good point Dbt, they will lose way more than 60 million. How many will pass up the school altogether, athletes or not, because of this scandal? Thats probably already started. The image of that school is gonna take awhile to repair.
DeNiro
My Dixie Wrecked
The real question is are we on the radar of any?
Id take Mauti, we need linebackers.
I read it wrong too, that could've been much clearer. 70 scholarships is massive, 20 is big, but weather-able.
Interesting to watch the meltdown. Perspective is everything.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=9166576
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=9166576
Its gonna be a long, long time PSU will ever be relevant again. This stain on the school will take decades to undo. The whole notion of an independent Athletic Department is probably history. The new academic administration will be redone with the mission of cleaning up and keeping it clean. After the sanctions pass whatever they decide to implement will be well established.
I bet they are gonna go all CU on the AD; the next coach or two will be so clean you could use his piss for mouth wash.
There's now a great opportunity for programs like Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Rutgers and Maryland. But they're all kind of a mess. I expect that Notre Dame, Ohio State and Michigan will pick off all the top guys and that Penn State will continue to land most of the rest of who they want.
An interesting little side note that I hadn't seen before link referenced from the bottom of the Wikipedia page on the Penn State Scandal.
Apparently the university's insurance company has filed a case asking the court to limit it's responsibilty in the case.
http://articles.philly.com/2012-02-01/news/31013283_1_jerry-sandusky-penn-state-insurance
Penn State has countersued to force coverage
http://www.businessinsurance.com/article/20120216/NEWS06/120219912?tags=|306|338|68|75|76|302
Either way as soon as the civil cases move into federal court the damages are going to go far above what the limits on the insurance are anyways but it would be interesting to see PSU end up on the hook for the entire thing. It would also send a little shiver through a lot of athletic departments and university administrations if the court rules in favor of the insurance company and says that when you have ongoing systematic criminal activity within the organization the insurance company isn't liable for the damages.
Apparently the university's insurance company has filed a case asking the court to limit it's responsibilty in the case.
http://articles.philly.com/2012-02-01/news/31013283_1_jerry-sandusky-penn-state-insurance
Penn State has countersued to force coverage
http://www.businessinsurance.com/article/20120216/NEWS06/120219912?tags=|306|338|68|75|76|302
Either way as soon as the civil cases move into federal court the damages are going to go far above what the limits on the insurance are anyways but it would be interesting to see PSU end up on the hook for the entire thing. It would also send a little shiver through a lot of athletic departments and university administrations if the court rules in favor of the insurance company and says that when you have ongoing systematic criminal activity within the organization the insurance company isn't liable for the damages.
Unleash Hell
Well-Known Member
They're screwed
JimmyBuff
Well-Known Member
Yeah that's what I wanted. I thought PENN ST football should've went dark this year along with all the penalties the NCAA handed out today.
I actually wouldn't be surprised to see Nebraska one of the big winners out of this. I'd expect to see them make a big time push into recruiting Pennsylvania now that they are shifting to more of a mid-west / east coast focus. You can also probably start playing the "Welcome back" music for Pitt.
I think this is just the beginning of an ugly legal saga. There are many alumni who think that PSU's President didnt ask the Board of Trustees for approval of the acceptance of penalties and didnt have the authority to enter in to an agreement.
Here is what I think happened:
NCAA knew they were on shaky ground to punish by the letter of their law. They are NOT on shaky ground to expel them by violating the NCAA constitution because it requires a moral and ethical standard that was violated. Therefore, the NCAA said.... accept these penalties or we will expel you from the NCAA so you cant play any of these teams that volunteered to be in the organization....
so when the PSU Board of trustees find this out (in my opinion), they will realize that the PSU president did not have much choice but to enter in to this agreement and MOVE ON....
Just a guess.
Here is what I think happened:
NCAA knew they were on shaky ground to punish by the letter of their law. They are NOT on shaky ground to expel them by violating the NCAA constitution because it requires a moral and ethical standard that was violated. Therefore, the NCAA said.... accept these penalties or we will expel you from the NCAA so you cant play any of these teams that volunteered to be in the organization....
so when the PSU Board of trustees find this out (in my opinion), they will realize that the PSU president did not have much choice but to enter in to this agreement and MOVE ON....
Just a guess.
Joe Pa has left the building... :sad:
