And then to the Dolphins after a 2-year stint on TV
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The 2021-2022 Coaching Carousel
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And then to the Dolphins after a 2-year stint on TV
I had believed we did that but he move on to MSU. The AD deviated from "the plan" when he panicked with HCKD. It's clear we have no plan. While it sounds great to have a better mindset and have a plan, I'm not holding my breath.
SerenityBuff
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Conversely, we need to get rid of the "He's not as bad as Embree" mindset. KD is garbage on his own merit, without comparison.
ahoelsken
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Its rare, but this is it (I would think) for Ben. Maybe Tomlin doesn't want to deal with the growing pains that come with a young QB?
ahoelsken
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That's like comparing a president to Trump.
KD can be both better than Embree and garbage on his own merit. Those two are not mutually exclusive. Pointing out that he’s better than Embree does not absolve KD of his ineptitude.
SerenityBuff
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That he, or any coach, is better than Embree is irrelevant.
Not in the context of comparing our current situation to past stretches of ****ty football.
SerenityBuff
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Why does it matter how KD's tenure relates to Embree's? By any measure, KD's season is historically bad. However, some people seem to use Embree's time as justification for keeping a ****ty coach. "Yeah, he's bad. But we've had worse." Is a phrase I hear a lot. As if that matters.
I think he meant “actual” P5 conference.
Is this like one of those “challenge accepted” type things?
I guess maybe TTU thinks it’s been long enough since all the rapes that Briles can be hired again
Where are people using Embrees tenure as a justification for keeping KD? I’m not seeing that anywhere.
It makes me feel the same way (that he was contacted/is talking to USC about it) but to his point, Sean Payton isn't being asked because Payton is currently paid more than any college coach.
With that said, Tomlin's current contract supposedly pays him about $8M/year and runs through 2024. You have to think he's pretty comfortable in Pittsburgh, although I know that fanbase kinda treats him like **** sometimes. The biggest college contracts of which i'm aware are Dabo and Jimbo Fisher, which come in around $9M/year for ~10 years (~$90M).
So, if USC offered him a similar contract, he'd basically triple his guaranteed earnings, but it would commit him to also about triple the length of time to get it and he'd have to move to Southern California.
That would be an awfully big risk for USC though- Tomlin hasn't coached college in 20 years, and never at the P5 level. The returns on NFL-to-college coaches are mixed, at best. The only guys I can think of who made it work at the college level after an extended stint in the NFL are Pete Carrol and maybe Harbaugh There have been guys with limited stints in the NFL who have been somewhat successful going back to college (Saban, Spurrier, Mike Riley? maybe Lane Kiffin), but for every Saban there is a Jim Mora, Bill O'Brien, Bobby Petrino, or Bill Walsh that washed out upon going back to college- and those were guys who had been HCs at the collegiate level.
The early returns on NFL guys back in the Pac-12 (KD, Kelly, Herm) have been underwhelming.
Maybe but which jobs with established QBs are likely to be open? Vegas? Chicago will probably be open but it would be 2nd year Fields at QB. It would almost take a surprise retirement out of someone (Reid, Harbaugh, Belichick Arians or Carroll).
ahoelsken
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I'm not sure Vegas will run an actual coaching search-especially if they keep winning. Somebody involved in the A-a-ron sweepstakes (like say.......the Broncos) could hire him too.
Is Tomlin likely to take another job without the QB in place? Conversely is Rodgers likely to go to a team without a coach? That’s why I think a simultaneous Tomlin/Rodgers move is unlikely. I actually think it would be more likely Rodgers goes to Pittsburgh, than both of them moving to Denver.
ahoelsken
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True. Either way he's not going to USC.
If you follow the college football guys it’s pretty clear coaches would prefer to be in the NFL with all of the changes going on in college football right now. USC is in a great position with those changes but I still think it would be near impossible to pull a coach from the league.
Mike Tomlin may not have a guaranteed ten year deal, but he effectively has it because of his reputation. If he ever parted ways with the Steelers (outside of some personal scandal), he would have a bunch of teams lined up to give him a new five year deal.
The Broncos would jump at a chance to have Mike Tomlin.
SerenityBuff
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Howell's done it, posters here and 247 have as well.
Steelers ownership doesn't fire coaches. Isn't Tomlin just its third since the 1970s (Noll, Cowher, Tomlin)? It's basically a lifetime contract there with the most supportive environment a HC could hope for. Best job in the profession imo.
Totally agree. Ownership there is tremendous.
One thing that I love about all their hires is that they’ve always snagged really high energy coaches in their 30s. That wouldn’t be a bad strategy for CU.
For a Denver food reference, Tomlin going from the Pittsburgh Steelers to USC would be like going from Sushi Den to Long John Silvers.
Bad. Ass. An excellent response.
An NFL job is coveted because you actually have some semblance of a life outside of your job. The actual season is a grind, but you have lots of time in the offseason. Tomlin would be insane to leave the Steelers to go to USC
College job is football 24/7/365 days a year with absolute no time off. There is a reason why guys like Urban Meyer have the health issues they have.
Mostly the guys who thrive in college are because they are control freaks who are narcistic assholes.
College job is football 24/7/365 days a year with absolute no time off. There is a reason why guys like Urban Meyer have the health issues they have.
Mostly the guys who thrive in college are because they are control freaks who are narcistic assholes.
Helps too that they don’t miss with HC hires either.
Knoll: .566 win pct. 7 losing seasons in 23
Cowher: .623 win pct. 3 losing seasons in 15
Tomlin: .646 win pct. ZERO losing seasons in 15
Their last losing season was in 2003.
Except Urb's health issues seem to crop up just as he needs to leave town one step ahead of the posse. (I hope his mom doesn't read this).
True. Urb was probably a bad example.
I see it making sense for U$C, not for Tomlin.