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bombay

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I’m a Duke fan (not Dye Me’s levels but best friend is a lifelong Duke fan) but they hired Capel and they have had a top 3 recruiting class how many years now? They’re definitely cheating. And good for them. It’s obvious nothing bad happens (or happened depending on how this plays out but I have my doubts) so why not? If you do get caught, don’t self report either. Deny deny deny. Eventually you’ll get UNC’d and everyone moves on.

Agree. They're as dirty as any bigtime program, but that's the way the game is played, and its nothing remotely new.
 

SewallBeach

Not Built Like an Action Figure
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The Level I violations are tied, in part, to the recruitments of Billy Preston and Silvio De Sousa. Court testimony and documents tied to the federal basketball corruption cases over the past two years included details of veteran adidas consultant T.J. Gassnola having “conspired to illicitly funnel approximately at least $90,000” to the mother of Preston. Gassnola also testified in court that he paid De Sousa’s guardian $2,500, although he denied arranging a $20,000 payment that had been discussed on wiretaps.

The charge against Self will potentially prove a compelling and high-profile application of the NCAA’s head coach responsibility bylaws. Evidence tied to the case included Gassnola and Self talking openly in text messages about Adidas helping Kansas recruit players. “I’m happy with Adidas,” Self wrote Gassnola. “Just got to get a couple real guys.”
 

buff4bcs1985

Hope Poisons the Soul
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Kansas Responds



Wow this quote by Bill Self...

“By the NCAA’s own admission through its public statements early this summer, it’s no secret that there is tremendous pressure on the NCAA to respond to the federal court proceedings involving college basketball. Compelled to reassure member institutions and the general public that it can police its member institutions, the NCAA enforcement staff has responded in an unnecessarily aggressive manner in submitting today’s unsubstantiated Notice of Allegations, and I, as well as the University, will vigorously dispute what has been alleged.

In its haste and attempt to regain control, the enforcement staff has created a false narrative regarding me and our basketball program. The narrative is based on innuendo, half-truths, misimpressions and mischaracterizations. In reality, we all know there is only one version of the truth. The truth is based on verifiable facts, and I am confident the facts we will demonstrate in our case will expose the inaccuracies of the enforcement staff’s narrative.

I have always taken pride in my commitment to rules compliance and led programs that operate with integrity and within the rules, and I am proud of the success that we have achieved at each program along the way. Every student-athlete who has ever played for me and their families know we follow the rules.

These allegations are serious and damaging to the University and to myself, and I hate that KU has to go through this process. With our staff’s full cooperation, these allegations will be addressed within NCAA procedures and with urgency and resolve. I will strenuously defend myself and the program, but I will respect the process and will not speak to the details of the case.”

shades of.....

 

Uncle Luko

Peckerwood
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I'm actually surprised they'd levy any penalties Kansas's way. They've got some dirt, or they wouldn't **** around with a blue blood. I know, they did with Kentucky years ago. There is too much money involved, yes NCAA, you too, for anyone to get the death penalty. I doubt anybody gets that one again.
 

Denver_sc

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Just thinking about this... and.... ****: what if they have to can Self because of these violations and want to hire a coach who "does things the right way;" maybe a certain former alumni?
 

dyemeduke

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Just thinking about this... and.... ****: what if they have to can Self because of these violations and want to hire a coach who "does things the right way;" maybe a certain former alumni?

CU fans should be able to rest easy - there are many more attractive fish in the sea than Tad.

I'm not saying that KU will get the SMU treatment, or that they'll be significantly hurt in the long term (~5-10 yrs). However, these are the harshest charges the NCAA could have brought upon the program/AD. Of course, KU will fight, as they promised they would, and the penalties probably will not amount to a ton. BUT, just in terms of the charges brought on by NCAA, this is actually legit imo.
 

BehindEnemyLines

beware the habu
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Kansas Responds



Wow this quote by Bill Self...



shades of.....


A few years back I was talking to an AAU coach (our daughters were soccer teammates). I asked him if the world of recruiting was as dirty as the rumor mill portrayed. He replied it was, and the 2 dirtiest were Calipari and Self.
 

Not Sure

Sets low bar, barely exceeds it.
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I don’t think the NCAA has to prove anything. They just have to be convinced there were improprieties. This isn’t a court of law.
 

dyemeduke

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I don’t think the NCAA has to prove anything. They just have to be convinced there were improprieties. This isn’t a court of law.

I'm definitely not a lawyer, but I dont' fully agree with you. You're right, this not court - it's the NCAA, a governing entity that programs agree to follow. So, yes, agreed that they don't necessarily have to prove things like it was a court case before it hands out punishments. However, lack of institutional control is one of their most severe charges, and some severe punishment "should" be handed out to meet the charge. It may be something we all think is inconsequential (e.g. lose two scholarship spots for a year, or a one year ban from NCAA tournament), but IF (big "if"), the NCAA actually does bring a hammer down on Kansas athletics, I wouldn't doubt that KU would take the NCAA to court. There's a lot of money involved if NCAA actually went death penalty on KU, so I would imagine KU would sue. I have no idea how strong their case would be, but the NCAA would need to have some evidence to back up their penalty if it were to go that route.

Again - I don't think it'll get there, but the NCAA needs to have clear evidence.
 

MtnBuff

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I'm definitely not a lawyer, but I dont' fully agree with you. You're right, this not court - it's the NCAA, a governing entity that programs agree to follow. So, yes, agreed that they don't necessarily have to prove things like it was a court case before it hands out punishments. However, lack of institutional control is one of their most severe charges, and some severe punishment "should" be handed out to meet the charge. It may be something we all think is inconsequential (e.g. lose two scholarship spots for a year, or a one year ban from NCAA tournament), but IF (big "if"), the NCAA actually does bring a hammer down on Kansas athletics, I wouldn't doubt that KU would take the NCAA to court. There's a lot of money involved if NCAA actually went death penalty on KU, so I would imagine KU would sue. I have no idea how strong their case would be, but the NCAA would need to have some evidence to back up their penalty if it were to go that route.

Again - I don't think it'll get there, but the NCAA needs to have clear evidence.

If the NCAA were to come down on Kansas or any major program in a way that cost them significant money yes they would go to court to fight it.

The issue would be different though in term of proving the case. The NCAA is a voluntary membership association, Kansas and the other schools choose to be members.

In the process of choosing to be members they also agree to abide by the rules of that organization and to grant the organization certain rights that would not exist outside the organization.

The court argument would then fall to one of two things. One argument is that the NCAA didn't follow it's own rules and therefore the punishment isn't applicable. The other argument would be to claim that the rules themselves were in violation of the law.

If the NCAA rules are put together correctly then neither argument should prevail but the time and expense of litigating it plus the negative attention brought is probably enough to cause the NCAA to cave to avoid the conflict.
 

dyemeduke

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For those that didn't follow the story, I encourage you to read about the UNC scandal. This wasn't just History of Jazz at CU, where there were about a dozen football players routinely in (class was over 100 students) and had to be one of the easier classes at CU when I was there. The UNC scandal really made me question how I should follow sports, particularly collegiate sports. As fun as they are and beneficial they can be, we all need to have our priorities in order, and education is paramount.

The NCAA has no balls; some of them probably don't care. The NCAA's acted like a little bitch and did nothing. Parrish refers to "smart people", and sure, there is a logical seam that one can follow as to why UNC got away with it all. I think just one year's bowl game ban was the penalty. However, there is a general larger picture that the NCAA failed to capture. I personally think UNCheat's football program should have been shuttered. Kids literally graduated from UNC that don't know how to read... ....but they have a degree and bruises from playing football. How dare they use those kids for their own profits and not even TRY to educate them for a career after athletics, which most of them needed. This to me was WAAAY worse than paying high school athletes and their families.
 

4BienemyTDs

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Deandre Ayton suspended 25 games for the Suns! The guy is a freak and he has been allowed to cheat his whole life and obviously cannot stop! His recruiting, college career, and now pro career are so dirty it is sad considering his god given talent 🤯
 

Uncle Luko

Peckerwood
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For those that didn't follow the story, I encourage you to read about the UNC scandal. This wasn't just History of Jazz at CU, where there were about a dozen football players routinely in (class was over 100 students) and had to be one of the easier classes at CU when I was there. The UNC scandal really made me question how I should follow sports, particularly collegiate sports. As fun as they are and beneficial they can be, we all need to have our priorities in order, and education is paramount.

The NCAA has no balls; some of them probably don't care. The NCAA's acted like a little bitch and did nothing. Parrish refers to "smart people", and sure, there is a logical seam that one can follow as to why UNC got away with it all. I think just one year's bowl game ban was the penalty. However, there is a general larger picture that the NCAA failed to capture. I personally think UNCheat's football program should have been shuttered. Kids literally graduated from UNC that don't know how to read... ....but they have a degree and bruises from playing football. How dare they use those kids for their own profits and not even TRY to educate them for a career after athletics, which most of them needed. This to me was WAAAY worse than paying high school athletes and their families.
Unfortunately, I don't think they failed to capture a damn thing. More like some didn't give a **** in the first place, I don't want to say everyone. Whole ****ing system is corrupt, and has been for a long ass time.
 

BehindEnemyLines

beware the habu
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Don't look now but u$c and okie lite have signed the #1 and #2 rated players for 2020.

I think they're flying the middle finger flag for the ncaa.
 

bombay

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James Wiseman won't play another game for Memphis. He's hiring an agent and preparing for the draft. Nice work, ncaa.
 

Buffnik

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James Wiseman won't play another game for Memphis. He's hiring an agent and preparing for the draft. Nice work, ncaa.
I put more blame on the NBA/NBAPA, but it’s a lot of bs from every direction with that kid and our current system.
 

bombay

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I put more blame on the NBA/NBAPA, but it’s a lot of bs from every direction with that kid and our current system.

Some of all of those things, but I'm over the ridiculous hypocrisy of ncaa. It's about time to punish Northern Arizona and Washburn for the transgressions at Arizona and Kansas. I hope they get Liberty for Duke's cheating.
 
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