NeverGiveIn
Confused by the facts
I'll do it.
...think I'm the right guy for the job you guys. I'm a terrible recruiter.
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Who Should be the new QB Coach?
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...think I'm the right guy for the job you guys. I'm a terrible recruiter.
Eleven and a half in crocs!
Is that the new black-out boys hand sign?this guy...
DrunkPanda
Well-Known Member
I’m betting one of the graduate assistants will be promoted to qb coach. That is basically Mac’s M.O.
Big Jim
WTF?
Probably Erik Aunese because his uncle was a QB.
I can think of a couple on Allbuffs this would make a great avatarthis guy...
SuperiorBuff
Well-Known Member
Me, I'm pretty inexpensive.
Resigned as football coach last year. There was some smoke related to the football booster club’s finances. He still works at the school as a teacher as far as I can tell.
Bufffan68
Club Member
You don't have to be bad at it...just don't give a **** and you'll be golden.
vinniew_11
Well-Known Member
I find the narrative that the staff doesn’t give a **** about recruiting or that they don’t emphasize it very disengenuous. They have all been in the college game and know recruiting is the lifeblood of the game. I think people need to realize that recruiting to CU might actually not be as easy as you all think it is. That in an age where information is available to these kids at their fingertips, that the old “salesman” route doesn’t work as well as it did back in the day of CUs hay days. Boards like these at every school and they can easily access and see what is going on there. And if it was so easy as some on here think, why aren’t you all on the recruiting trail for CU. I mean, it’s really easy and anyone can do it.
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Big Jim
WTF?
Well, given recruiting results, if your second sentence is true then your first sentence is false.
vinniew_11
Well-Known Member
Expecting better results is not the same as saying it is easy.
All you need to look at is quotes from various top prospects. Certain coaches rarely come up in interviews and if they do, it is not necessarily flattering stuff. Unless that is all one giant coincidence, I think the inference of weak recruiting is fair.
Partly. He resigned in the second week of December. 2016.
vinniew_11
Well-Known Member
Weak recruiting, sure. But to say they don’t give a **** about it or don’t emphasize it is dumb. They aren’t good at it. Different discussion.
Some of the quotes would actually point to a lack of emphasis.
It's because when people hear "recruit well" they automatically think USC, UCLA, Stanford, Texas which is not even close to what we are asking. I think the majority of the people who are adamant on improving recruiting are also very fair with some of the under radar guys we have signed like Oliver, Carrell, Fisher, Isiah Lewis and with a guy like Wallace this year. There is a middle ground there but this is a message board so it is not going to be argued rationally.
I don’t think it’s easy but look at how big of a difference one guy made for us last year. Not only was Chev someone who HS coaches, recruits, and families trusted, he also helped market our brand and coordinated a fun recruiting system. Other coaches finally started getting in on the fun and we ended up with a really amazing recruiting class all things considered, especially when you factor in how many committed to us before we even won a game.
On the flipside, I think it’s pretty obvious how much impact (or lack thereof) one weak recruiter can have. We aren’t a cool enough school in a recruiting hotbed to have multiple weak recruiters on the staff. I also do wonder how much MM enjoys it. I’m sure if you asked him, he’d rather the recruiting thing be finished before the season started, that way he could have laser focus on the games and only the games.
I also think a lot of the hot shot recruiters across the country would prefer to have it that way as well though, to be fair.
Exactly.
Nobody says it is easy, more commonly people say it takes work, dedication, and a certain set of skills.
Fact is though that you don't find consistently winning programs that don't consistently win in recruiting. This doesn't mean that if you don't have multiple top 10 classes that you can't win but talent matters and recruiting is how you accumulate talent.
Does CU have some disadvantages in recruiting? Sure, we don't have a big in state talent base, we are seen as a cold weather state, and hardest to overcome we are seen as losers.
Before anyone accepts these excuses as reasons though take a look around. Is it harder to recruit to CU than to Iowa State? Minnesota? Does Wisconsin have loads of talent and warm weather. Is Nebraska a recruiting magnet?
There are lots of quality players who have left Texas, California, Florida, and other warm weather talent bases for schools that have a lot less to offer than CU.
I like HCMM and I do believe that this staff works hard but I believe that we have multiple members of the staff who put their efforts into areas that are much less productive for winning that recruiting is.
Recruiting as a profession is the same as any other sales oriented job. Some people are good at it while others are just average or not very good at it. It takes a certain personality to be a good salesman/recruiter. Unfortunately, not all coaches have that personality and CU has more average to bad salesmen/recruiters on their staff than good. For those coaches that just want to coach and not sell the program then that's what the NFL is for. I don't buy the narrative that CU is a tough place to recruit to. If you're a good salesman/recruiter then you know how to sell your university and CU has a lot of strong selling points.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
Thanks. Knew that part. Seems like nothing new here.
A quick google search showed that he apparently resigned in 2016 as the football coach at La Mirada, but apparently continued to teach P.E. at a local Jr High in the district. Either that, or he was caught robbing a bank in PA in June.
This is the deal.
If you want to be a college football coach you have to contribute to your program winning. With a few limited exceptions unless you can recruit you are not doing the complete job.
If I own a sales oriented business and I have employees who are in jobs that require that they sell or at minimum strongly support my sales efforts then that is the job. I may have one or more employees who are good people who know my business and put in long hours but if they don't contribute substantially to my businesses sales efforts I am going to replace them. I can't afford to have significant customers going to my competitors because an employee doesn't like or isn't willing to contribute to my sales efforts.
If a guy just wants to coach, just wants to develop players and teach skills and break down film then eventually he has three choices.
One is to deal with it and step outside his comfort zone and recruit even though he would prefer not to. The second is to be elite at what he does and get a pro job or be one of the few who is so good at what he does that a program can afford to have him limit his recruiting, the third is go coach HS.
A college coaching job is not a right any more than a job in a specific private industry is a right. You earn your job by your results and normally those results are dependent on recruiting.
Don't know where else to put this, but with SMU's staff up in the air, I would love to hire Van Malone as a safeties coach. He'd be a great fit. Plus, their DL coach, Buddy Wyatt, coached under Gary Barnett and has some deep ties in Texas. I don't know anything about his recruiting, but I think he'd be an upgrade (not a high bar)