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2024 Spring Camp/Summer Workouts Thread
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Ringer
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Shedeur's primary weakness (holding ball too long) is coachable and will be helped by a much-improved OL.
Also, I don't think the Lewis offense has many routes off a play tree that are slow-developing. So if Shedeur didn't like what he saw on time then he had to buy time for scramble drill. NFL concepts should have things scripted to develop for around 7 or 8 seconds.
But our known strengths are QB and WR and of Shedeur plays to the point where he showcases a full NFL skill set, that means the offense is wildly successful.
Put another way, no, we aren’t going to be 2023 Michigan where JJ McCarthy throws 20 passes a game and they run the ball 45+ times and grind it out.
Shedeur talked to the DNVR guys at the Super Bowl and one of the main things I remember from that is that there were a ton of choice routes last year and Shedeur felt like he couldn't always count on the receivers to be where he was expecting them to be. Part of the reason why he was holding on to the ball for so long was that he had to wait and see what they were going to do because he couldn't always trust them to make the right choice and having to wait those extra 1-2 seconds with the O line we had was a recipe for sacks. A better line and tweaked offense without the choice routes will go a long way toward fixing all of that.
I think most everyone would be confident with that situation. But Shurmur's NFL record isn't perceived as "major success" by most CU fans... At least not wrt his last two roles in the NFL.
Also made runner up in Avoiding Negatives (with more games played than #1) and Wins Above Average.
IIRC, the stats say that NFL QBs throw more intermediate depth passes than any other, and...
The two most predictive stats for college QBs in terms of their NFL performance is 1. Completion percentage against a nickel defense* and 2. Completion rate for intermediate throws.
*This is partially because the nickel is now the de facto base defense in the NFL, but college QBs don't see it with nearly the same frequency.
Head Coach of the Giants with a Rookie Daniel Jones at QB, a situation that Brian Daboll hasn’t been able to fix either, and then OC under Vic Fangio in Denver with Drew Lock at QB.
I suspect you’re right that those two most recent stops, particularly the two years in Denver, are the reason some CU fans don’t view him favorably even though he was working with two of the worst QBs in the league during those jobs.
I did post some awful coaching stats by him when his name was being bounced around as the OC. The wave of love for him (or excuses) isn't going to make me change my mind. I am skeptical of him but will be happy to embrace him and admit I was wrong if the results are successful as we all hope for.
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I somewhat agree that the receiver part was a portion. They had injuries too and debuted a bunch of players at WR. Did SS also hold onto the ball too long at times? Sure.
Once the film was out and Oline was really exposed (no rushing attack, no consistent protection) certainly from UCLA to the end of the season, SS was under extreme duress without time on a lot of plays--even when teams rushed only 3-4 guys, dropping others into short coverage. During 2nd half teams did a great job keying on the quick underneath stuff, some was contested, others were tackled for a short gain/loss, and very few went for large gains. I thought the Oline was so exposed, CU could never even develop a side to roll out SS to buy time or even marginally show any short gain run consistency (1 yard was hard at times). Even with bad lines, teams can generally develop one side somewhat. Once SS was beat up all bets were really off, as his mobility reduced and his run threat totally diminished making it impossible. I don't doubt what SS said, but I thought the lack of time was really an impediment for those choice routes. Tough for any qb to get their eyes downfield and go through progressions when the rush is coming from everywhere in a hurry.
I think the key will be: (1) keeping SS upright with less hits and more time+; (2) developing a decent run game that has to be respected (on 2nd and 5, we can run for 3-5 yards); (3) much better 1on1 oline play; and (4) SS just staying pretty healthy.
I don't think he is any Buff fan's first choice for OC, but I also don't think most fans have a clue what they're talking about. Sean Lewis was deemed a home run hire by virtually everybody locally and nationally, and it ended up being a disaster outside of a couple games.
Prime has gone all in with the NFL mindset around the program, so going out and trying to hire an up and coming college OC was never going to happen (nor should it have, btw), and there aren't many proven NFL coordinators having great success in the league willing to become OC at Colorado.
I just think there is plenty of evidence that he is a very capable QB coach and playcaller, even if it didn't always result in top NFL production and results when his personnel was subpar. When he had average personnel the results were actually pretty solid, so I'm looking forward to seeing what he is able to do when his QB and personnel is above average to elite at the college level.
Notice Seaton. An 18 year should not look like that
this has me wondering what he'll look like at age 40
I think he is a good hire in terms of recruiting. If you have a former NFL HC and OC as your OC in college, that should draw and comfort elite offensive players.
So this is what happens when you recruit high level players? Who knew!
Ringer
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Seaton looks 25 years old. I've read that he has a mature personality and that he works hard outside of practice, watching film and all that.
You seem to be incapable of differentiating between the NFL and CFB
hawg1
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Yep. But I want it by alignment.
hawg1
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PFF is garbage. No way they can grade all plays. /s
So hanging out with friends a few weeks ago and they were telling me about this guy they knew that basically decided in high school that he wanted to pay for college with a football scholarship.
Actually did so with a DII scholarship.
Anyway, apparently he went from normal skinny high school dude, up to 280+, and then back down to normal dude in a 10 year span.
Personally know a guy a couple years younger than me who played LB for Iowa State. You... wouldn't know it today. He's still fit, but normal dude fit - no one would ever guess him as "former B12 LB."
Which is a round about way of saying that there's no telling...
You are only saying that because #1 Pick isn't here....
A kid I played baseball with for years growing up ended up as an all Big 10 linebacker at Purdue and was a Pro Bowl selection (special teams) while playing for Dallas.
He's now the mayor of our hometown.
As he is essentially a public figure, this is what he looks like 32 years removed from HS.
Ringer
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