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Bowl Games (other than ours) and associated silliness 2024 Plus the Playoffs
- Thread starter MtnBuff
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Wrong, we didn't learn that today. We already knew it
But you do have games like this year when ND lost to NIU as a letdown after the win at aTm. That aTm win is a lot more indicative of the team they have than the NIU loss. There are certain programs which we know have dudes everywhere, so even when they're having a down year a win or loss against them is meaningful - such as Texas winning at Michigan or taking care of Oklahoma in its rivalry game. Yeah, neither were great this year like they usually are but they were also good enough respectively to beat Ohio State and Alabama so those are much more impressive wins to me than beating a 7-5 Boston College like SMU did.
Today confirmed it.
If you do this go one step further and remove about 6 teams from the SEC/B1G that have no business being included.
This takes you to 16 teams per conference, Either 2 divisions each of 8 teams or pods of 4. Either way you play a 9 game conference schedule with all the teams in your division plus 2 cross division games. If you go pods play 3 against your pod, rotate against the other pods plus 2 additional.
At that point if you are going to insist on playoffs (which they will for the money) go with the division winners plus 2 wild cards for an 8 team playoff.
Sure W's and L's have to matter but it's not a clear cutoff point, and every year is different. Generally speaking, I'd never argue that a 6-6, 7-5, or even 8-4 team (most years) should be getting into the CFP but teams with 3 losses that include multiple wins over teams in the top 15-20 should be getting in over 1-loss teams with 0 wins over any top 30-40ish teams. Also, your best data point can't be a loss. Looking at Boise and Indiana, their most impressive "feats" were a 3-point loss to Oregon and a loss at the horseshoe, respectively. Your best data point can't be a loss. And yes Boise was an auto-bid, I get that but just using them and their ranking as an example.
Haha fair, but the games haven't been all that compelling so far
The games have not given us a lot to discuss other than the talent and competition being unbalanced. In football, it's really glaring when teams have several weeks to prepare and they match up with equal motivation. How much of SMU's roster would start for Penn State? If we were to create a 2-deep out of their rosters, how many of the 44 guys would be represented by each team? Same for ND vs Indiana. I strongly believe that the number from PSU or ND would be close to 35 of the 44.
unibuff
Well-Known Member
Maybe - I like 12.
I think if they go 16 or 24- like FCS - i think you'd have to get rid of Conference championship games. FCS plays an 11 game season and no conference championship games.
Playing 13 games before the playoffs start would be tough.
But as you mention it's about the $$
On a different note, I find it odd that ESPN sold these 2 afternoon games to TNT. One theory I saw is that as part of ESPN's deal for MNF and the playoff games that maybe they can't run college games opposite the NFL, which makes sense if true
I'm watching UT-Clem via a truTV Xfinity stream. The frame speed is comically bad.
Big Jim
WTF?
Prestige? That flew out the window with the playoffs. The Rose Bowl is worried about selling out this year, they don’t know this late who is palying in the game.
LSU & Florida are analytically top 20 teams & were on the road - those aren't bad losses.
Best teams need to get in if they're not an P4 AQ team. Indiana is right around 10 in the analytics so they probably should have made it but Alabama & Ole Miss are better than a few teams in these playoffs.
I feel like the conference championship games have mostly filled the place that bowl games used to occupy. When we were in the pac-12, making it to Vegas for the CCG felt like the conference goal. Rose Bowl was a consolation prize if a team didn't make the playoffs and the Rose wasn't a playoff venue that year.
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You are right and I want none of it for so many reasons
I do not know what's more boring these football games or the discussion about how the conference that plays 8 conference games should be rewarded for playing Mercer in November
I have a hard time reconciling whether we got our faces blown off by Oregon bc we weren’t interested, or because we weren’t as good…and outcome v Miami would have been SOOO much worse.
*we came up with a great game plan v Neb. Barely pulled it out v Texas. And could never throw the ball farther than 8 yards, which got exposed in the Fiesta Bowl.)
SEC: it just means more.
More scheduling soft teams in November, more entitlement, and most of all, more whining.
Perfectly stated
Sounds like you mostly have an issue with the seeding, not the teamsAnd probably that pre-Bowl Alliance with conf bowl tie ins were actually more interesting.
Imagine this bowl season if we had
- Oregon (B1G) v Boise State (since they’ll be Pac-12 soon)
- UGA v Clemson in the Sugar Bowl
- ND v Texas in the Orange Bowl
>>> Boise beats Oregon = natty is up for grabs. Chaos. Interest. It’d be awesome.
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- ASU v Penn St () in the Fiesta Bowl
hawg1
Well-Known Member
Can we talk about data instead?
We wouldn’t be Notre Dame. But we’d give them way more of a fight than Indiana did.
On the one hand, the SEC fans and media annoy the hell out of me.
On the other hand, I actually agree that beating a down LSU, Florida, Auburn or Oklahoma is still overcoming a more talented team than what we see appearing in most other conferences championship games.
On the other hand, I actually agree that beating a down LSU, Florida, Auburn or Oklahoma is still overcoming a more talented team than what we see appearing in most other conferences championship games.
How about those who want to talk about which sec teams should be in the playoffs go start a thread about it instead of ruining the game thread?
Robert Sorell
Well-Known Member
Michigan ranks right with them, and Indiana beat them.
Alabama, South Carolina, and Ole Miss are comparable to Clemson, Indiana, SMU.
I think there's a very strong chance Bama and Ole Miss lose a road playoff game by 14+ points as well.
Judge Bama as harshly for how they played Oklahoma as you're all judging the road teams this weekend and you have nothing to stand on.