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Howell: Buffs to hire Kurt Roper as new QB Coach

Seems like a solid hire

his recruiting is probably crap, but whatever other than Lytle we don't recruit QBs that other schools want so no issue there. Has more legit experience than most of our hires so I like it. Needed someone with OC experience and he has it. If he had good OC exp we probably wouldn't be hiring him as a QB coach.
 
Jens1893 said:
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Hmmm. That seems like such a simple and obvious thing. Antiquated approach to QB technique dating back to veer and similar offenses that were based on running the ball and not wanting to give keys on direction while balancing speed to each side. Doesn't seem to make sense today.
 
Hmmm. There is a lot to like. He has good experience at P5 programs and worked with some good coaches. It will be interesting to see how he does recruiting out west. Well, seeing how he recruits at all. If he works at it, he will be a step up from Lindgren...but that isn't saying much. Overall, I like the hire. Not an exciting hire, but a solid one. I am pleasantly surprised.
 
buffaholic said:
He's going to be here long enough to get another OC shot. We need someone to develop Montez. If Montez shines, QBs recruit themselves. We need more recruiters, but not with the QB coach. We needed a QB coach.
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You know, some places have figured out how to have guys that recruit and coach? It's a crazy concept, but I'm hoping Mac looks into it in the coming years.
 
White_Rabbit said:
You know, some places have figured out how to have guys that recruit and coach? It's a crazy concept, but I'm hoping Mac looks into it in the coming years.
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Yeah sure, but look at a lot of the top QB coaches and you aren't going to see standout recruiters. You are going to see serious QB developers. Develop and they will come.

We need recruiters on staff. It's just not the primary thing you need at OC, DC or QB. If you want to fill that spot with anything other than the best QB developer you can find, you're making a strategic mistake. That's my opinion. You can have yours.
 
buffaholic said:
Yeah sure, but look at a lot of the top QB coaches and you aren't going to see standout recruiters. You are going to see serious QB developers. Develop and they will come.

We need recruiters on staff. It's just not the primary thing you need at OC, DC or QB. If you want to fill that spot with anything other than the best QB developer you can find, you're making a strategic mistake. That's my opinion. You can have yours.
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Aren't most QB coaches also the OC for their teams?

My opinion is that if a QB coach isn't also the OC, he better give recruiting a whirl. Your post read to me like you were fine with Roper giving a Bernardi/Jeffcoat effort in the name of developing QBs. I think there's a happy medium between being a good coach and at least trying in recruiting.
 
White_Rabbit said:
Aren't most QB coaches also the OC for their teams?

My opinion is that if a QB coach isn't also the OC, he better give recruiting a whirl. Your post read to me like you were fine with Roper giving a Bernardi/Jeffcoat effort in the name of developing QBs. I think there's a happy medium between being a good coach and at least trying in recruiting.
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Not only that, but don't we have 2 OCs? If OCs and the QB coach aren't expected to be recruiters, that leaves Hagan and Bernardi as your primary offensive recruiters. We don't have the luxury to let that many coaches off the hook on the recruiting trail.

I'd feel a lot better about this hire if I knew Bernardi and Jeffcoat were also being replaced imminently.
 
White_Rabbit said:
Aren't most QB coaches also the OC for their teams?

My opinion is that if a QB coach isn't also the OC, he better give recruiting a whirl. Your post read to me like you were fine with Roper giving a Bernardi/Jeffcoat effort in the name of developing QBs. I think there's a happy medium between being a good coach and at least trying in recruiting.
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Nope - you're putting words in my mouth . It's other's posts that expect that the QB coach should be some sort of top recruiter for more than just a QB position. Most OCs are QB coaches, but that ship sailed here. We need a QB coach and we need the best one we can hire. If he's a good QB coach, he will be a good QB recruiter. He may not be able to help out Jeffcoat recruit NT's though....
 
buffaholic said:
Nope - you're putting words in my mouth . It's other's posts that expect that the QB coach should be some sort of top recruiter for more than just a QB position. Most OCs are QB coaches, but that ship sailed here. We need a QB coach and we need the best one we can hire. If he's a good QB coach, he will be a good QB recruiter. He may not be able to help out Jeffcoat recruit NT's though....
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Which would be fine if we had recruiters for the other assistant positions if he lands a top QB every year while doing a solid job within a geography of building relationships and identifying general talent for the other position coaches.

But I reject that coordinators don't recruit. It was a bull**** pass we were giving. Eliot and Chev are excellent recruiters for CU. Baer, Lindgren and Leavitt did a poor job in this part of their responsibilities. Similarly, we used to give Greg Brown a pass. There cannot be any passes.
 
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Not only that, but don't we have 2 OCs? If OCs and the QB coach aren't expected to be recruiters, that leaves Hagan and Bernardi as your primary offensive recruiters. We don't have the luxury to let that many coaches off the hook on the recruiting trail.

I'd feel a lot better about this hire if I knew Bernardi and Jeffcoat were also being replaced imminently.
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Who said that OC's aren't expected to recruit?
I said that recruiting is not the primary trait you consider in hiring OCs. We happen to have our two best recruiters as co-OCs. That's a bonus.

Bernarid and Jeffcoat are the recruiting problem. Our QB coach better be able to develop QBs, because Montez is rough around the edges and improvement there is the difference between 4-8 and 8-4.
 
buffaholic said:
Who said that OC's aren't expected to recruit?
I said that recruiting is not the primary trait you consider in hiring OCs. We happen to have our two best recruiters as co-OCs. That's a bonus.

Bernarid and Jeffcoat are the recruiting problem. Our QB coach better be able to develop QBs, because Montez is rough around the edges and improvement there is the difference between 4-8 and 8-4.
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That OCs shouldn't be expected to recruit is something I've heard here many times, that wasn't directed solely at you, but you did say this...
buffaholic said:
We need recruiters on staff. It's just not the primary thing you need at OC, DC or QB.
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If the rest of the staff remains largely in tact, we're going to need Chev and Adams to continue to be 2 of our best recruiters while now also having the added responsibility of learning to call plays and be fully responsible for designing an offense. That's a lot to ask of guys new to their current jobs.

Roper may be a fine QB coach and almost certainly an upgrade in that department from Lindgren, but I'm still wondering when and if we're going to make any changes at all that might help with recruiting because this hire doesn't address that glaring problem.
 
Roper is a very solid hire.
He is being hired as the qb coach but brings acc and sec level OC experience. Running a system that MMac believes in. As far as recruiting goes, If he is good at developing qbs and recruiting qbs that it all I would ask. Anything else is a bonus.
That is why it is critical we add a great recruiter for the 10th spot.
 
DavisBuff said:
Roper is a very solid hire.
He is being hired as the qb coach but brings acc and sec level OC experience. Running a system that MMac believes in. As far as recruiting goes, If he is good at developing qbs and recruiting qbs that it all I would ask. Anything else is a bonus.
That is why it is critical we add a great recruiter for the 10th spot.
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Yep.

I really like Roper as a QB Coach and I think Montez needs it. Kid has so much potential and needs the right mentor.

But I'm concerned with the overall lack of concern with recruiting within the footprint. Roper is a guy I'd have no complaints about if I didn't believe that 2 of the other 9 assistants (Jeffcoat and Bernardi) are next to worthless as recruiters. You can easily cover for a QB coach who brings in a QB every year and has a limited geography -- but only if the other assistants are all doing their jobs.
 
We are in agreement, though I think Roper could fit in the recruiting foot print from his days at Rice and be a positive recruiter. That wood just be gravy in my opinion. Recruiting and developing qbs is all I ask of him.
The other thing I hope with Roper is his experience will let MMac feel comfortable replacing Bernardi with a less experienced recruiter.
Bringing in a stud recruiter at the 10th spot is crucial. If MMac doesn't bring in a great recruiter for the 10th spot, I will lose all remaining faith I have in him as the right coach for CU.
It would nice to see a better recruiter at the DL slot too, but I've given up that hope.
 
I'm confused. Who is the Buffs' OC? Does any one guy have that title? Is it Chev? I'm asking seriously; I don't remember what Chev's title is right now. In another post in this thread someone said that he will be Roper's boss. Is this true? Or are the 2 guys Co-something?

Any help would be appreciated. I guess what I'm asking is, despite the weird titles that MM has foisted on the O side of the ledger, what is the name of the coach that will be calling the plays next year?

The reason I ask is that if Roper is going to be reporting to Chev and if Roper is coming to CU as just a QB coach there could be problems sooner than later. JMHO.
 
Then my opinion of the hire is that he's pretty overqualified, or over-experienced, for the job. That doesn't HAVE to create an awkward or dysfunctional environment but we've probably all seen workplace situations where it has. No problemo amigos. Just an observation.
 
brockbuff said:
Chev is calling the plays. Him and Adams are co-OC. Roper is strictly qb coach.
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yep - but they will all contribute in some way shape or form. Roper will bring experience at play calling which will be needed with two green OC's. Also will more then likely be in the booth on game days, bringing even more experience from that angle, allowing Chev or Adams to remain on the sideline.
 
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