That's what I'd like to see. Roper has much more experience than Chev and Adams combined.
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Howell: Buffs to hire Kurt Roper as new QB Coach
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That's what I'd like to see. Roper has much more experience than Chev and Adams combined.
BuffNut
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I don't see this as a problem. In Coaching it seems to be different than the real world in that coaches often take position coach jobs when they have been mediocre at best as coordinators or head coach attempts. Some guys just do better there, and once they step back down they can do quite well as just a position coach. I don't think he is coming here to try to take the reigns away from Chic, but he may be doing it to get his next OC job somewhere, if that is his aspiration. Am.sure he will contribute to gfame plan like My other coach.
MM promoted Adams and announced that move on Dec 5th.
Kurt Roper was fired at South Carolina on Dec 6th.
Kurt Roper was fired at South Carolina on Dec 6th.
hawg1
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Too many cooks in the kitchen
Roper is MM’s boy.
Chiv is RG’s boy.
Adams remain a complete mystery promotion.
hawg1
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He started out hot under Cutcliffe. Then cooled with Cut. Then cooled considerable over the last few years as he bounced around. There’s a reason for his path recently.
If you are right, CU is doomed. If RG is actively selecting AC's, MikMac is going to leave. And it will be a trainwreck along the way.
vinniew_11
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If Mac didn’t like what Chev brought to the table, he wouldn’t have made him play caller. Plain and simple. Regardless if it is the (unfounded) opinion that he was strictly RGs hire (which I find very hard to believe).
vinniew_11
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And contrary to popular belief, the co-corrdenator situation is not uncommon. Look at the video above. Roper was also a co-offensive coordinator at SC
Maybe, but I have never heard of a corrdenator, much less a co-corrdenator.
vinniew_11
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Spelling error. Oh boy.Maybe, but I have never heard of a corrdenator, much less a co-corrdenator.
Guys, this is a good hire. Seems that people are looking for reasons to dislike it.
Roper's job is to get Montez playing to his potential while developing the other QB talent on the roster. If he does that, the Buffs win in 2018. Period.
And he is well respected as a position coach.
I have zero concerns about him chafing at Chev being the top dog on the offensive coaching staff. This happens all the time on coaching staffs. Seniority and resume doesn't mean you won't end up as a position coach working under a HC and a coordinator who have less experience than you. It's the nature of the profession and professionals handle it just fine.
My only concern is that the Roper hire doesn't move the needle in recruiting. It's ok with the QB coach. You can have a coach who doesn't recruit like gangbusters, particularly if it's your QB coach. It's the most important position group, so if he is able to land a good QB recruit every year while getting great production from the position on Saturdays we'll all be very happy even if he's not identifying a lot of other recruits every year. But it does put a lot more pressure on the 10th assistant hire and it shines the spotlight even brighter on the dead weight being carried in recruiting with Jeffcoat and Bernardi. Hiring Roper instead of a QB coach more in the Tuiasosopo lane (recruiting coordinator type within the footprint) means that it's a higher priority to upgrade in other spots.
Roper's job is to get Montez playing to his potential while developing the other QB talent on the roster. If he does that, the Buffs win in 2018. Period.
And he is well respected as a position coach.
I have zero concerns about him chafing at Chev being the top dog on the offensive coaching staff. This happens all the time on coaching staffs. Seniority and resume doesn't mean you won't end up as a position coach working under a HC and a coordinator who have less experience than you. It's the nature of the profession and professionals handle it just fine.
My only concern is that the Roper hire doesn't move the needle in recruiting. It's ok with the QB coach. You can have a coach who doesn't recruit like gangbusters, particularly if it's your QB coach. It's the most important position group, so if he is able to land a good QB recruit every year while getting great production from the position on Saturdays we'll all be very happy even if he's not identifying a lot of other recruits every year. But it does put a lot more pressure on the 10th assistant hire and it shines the spotlight even brighter on the dead weight being carried in recruiting with Jeffcoat and Bernardi. Hiring Roper instead of a QB coach more in the Tuiasosopo lane (recruiting coordinator type within the footprint) means that it's a higher priority to upgrade in other spots.
I'm very intrigued on how things shake out in 2018 with who is in the booth and who is on the sideline.
I think Adams needs to be on the sideline to be talking to his group. OL is almost a team within the team and that presence is important.
With Chev, I think it's advantageous as a play caller to be in the booth. However, I really like his energy on the sideline.
Maybe the setup that makes the most sense is Roper in the booth as the "eye in the sky" but Chev signaling in play calls from the sideline. If what CU is going toward is to go even faster and simpler, I think I like Montez being able to go to the LOS immediately and look to the sideline for a signal based on the defense instead of waiting for a booth call to be relayed down.
I think Adams needs to be on the sideline to be talking to his group. OL is almost a team within the team and that presence is important.
With Chev, I think it's advantageous as a play caller to be in the booth. However, I really like his energy on the sideline.
Maybe the setup that makes the most sense is Roper in the booth as the "eye in the sky" but Chev signaling in play calls from the sideline. If what CU is going toward is to go even faster and simpler, I think I like Montez being able to go to the LOS immediately and look to the sideline for a signal based on the defense instead of waiting for a booth call to be relayed down.
Yeah, I think both Chev and Adams need to be on the sideline. Too much that needs to be discussed in-person rather than on the phone from the booth, or being relayed through other coaches. Montez can get on the phone with Roper, but Chev needs to be able to talk with all positions groups and Adams definitely has to be around the OL.
Only to change into his Superman outfit.
Unlike in the NFL, there are obviously 2 sides to each coach in college: Recruiting and his actual coaching ability. I think MacIntyre's recruiting and the lack of emphasis he puts on it and the way he generally handles changes on his coaching staff has been discussed ad nauseum on here (and he certainly deserves criticism for it), but Roper's resume as a QB coach is rock solid and if he helps develop the QBs we have, and there's definitely something to work with in Lytle, Montez, Noyer and Stenstrom, and in particular helps Montez reach his potential over the next 3 years that's probably a good hire. I realise that Leavitt had a bigger role as he was a coordinator and not a position coach, but nobody seemed to care about his shortcomings as a recruiter, either.
We need more and better recruiters on this staff and it can certainly be questioned whether you need to handpick a QB coach to mentor your QB with maturity issues, but if Roper does the job well and helps our QBs develop and get on the right track (wink, wink), I don't think there's much to dislike here.
hawg1
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Next time you see MM, ask him how many times he went to Lubbock on plane with RG. See what he says.
hawg1
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Why did Roper leave Cut? Why has his career gone sideways a time or two? What were circumstances of SC role? Can we get some answers before announcing him, especially given MM’s record of hiring ACs and following lead of this mentors with perhaps misplaced loyalty?
These questions are legit in my mind. Maybe not yours.
Spare us and tell us exactly. You're a buffoon if you think the AD hired an assistant coach without the HC being bought in. MM had to go to Lubbock to do exactly what? Help RG go thru the health plan?
If Cut and Roper had a falling out and that is why he left I am sure he would tell Mac about it and he wouldn't have been hired here.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
That and it's nearly impossible to find a college football coach who hasn't been fired before - if we're holding out for a rising QB guru who has never been fired and also is a stud recruiter, he isn't coming here. I have zero problems with Roper as our QB coach, but I'll be real upset if promoting Del Prado is the last coaching move we make this off-season.
The firings do not seem like a huge deal to me, comes with the territory of being an assistant coach.
My main question is more how he will recruit QBs. At the very least, he needs to be able to recruit a good QB every year he is here. Given Ty Evans was offered by South Carolina, I would guess he is at the top of the board. Makes it pretty easy to judge success in that regard.
My main question is more how he will recruit QBs. At the very least, he needs to be able to recruit a good QB every year he is here. Given Ty Evans was offered by South Carolina, I would guess he is at the top of the board. Makes it pretty easy to judge success in that regard.
I think my main issue is I wanted a QB coach with heavy connections in Texas because there are so many talented QBs down there that run very similar offenses to what CU currently runs and would be pretty far along in terms of grasping the offense when they arrive on campus. Obviously Cali has a ton of talented QBs too but the spread/speed emphasis in Texas is a pretty big deal.
As Nik has said, not even sure recruiting connections are brought up when talking to potential hires. How else do you explain the last four hires having marginal or no ties to the recruiting footprint?
Seems to me that our biggest area of need is at DL, and a QB coach isn’t going to be involved in recruiting a defensive lineman.
The guy has experience and knowledge as a QB coach. I’m not worried about his recruiting abilities.
I continue to be perplexed by the lack of movement with the current DL and TE coaches. Watching Alabama dismantle a high powered offense with their base front four players was an eye opener for me. Football is a numbers game. When you can have four defensive players occupy six offensive players, the remaining numbers work in your favor. Almost guaranteed a win every time.
The guy has experience and knowledge as a QB coach. I’m not worried about his recruiting abilities.
I continue to be perplexed by the lack of movement with the current DL and TE coaches. Watching Alabama dismantle a high powered offense with their base front four players was an eye opener for me. Football is a numbers game. When you can have four defensive players occupy six offensive players, the remaining numbers work in your favor. Almost guaranteed a win every time.
You catch a lot of flak around here...in my view it is because you are critical (and not necessarily a bad way) of the program. Most of the time, I tend to agree with your take. But, you lost me here, and your posts come off like you know the answers to the questions you pose. So what is it? Explain to us like a bunch of five year olds why Roper is such a terrible hire.
People were screaming for some seasoned AC help on the offensive side of the ball, preferably a QB coach with significant OC experience. Personally, I would have liked to have seen Dan Enos, but Roper checks all the boxes for someone to coach QB's and add some P5 experience for a newbie OC in Chev. Why is he a dud? Help me out here.
hawg1
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When Chiv leaves, I’ll spill the beans you can either take buffoon back now or later. Ha!!
I bet you think RG didn’t force the Baer decision either.
Old topic.
hawg1
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Transitions are always acceptable. Happens to most all. Just think there are possible questions about his recent
career trajectory.