Let'em hate. **** every damn one of them.
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I really love how much everyone hates us; it is truly the best feeling ever.
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Let'em hate. **** every damn one of them.
SeanMSan
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Who TF gives a floppy **** about Venables? This guy needs to worry about not getting absolutely mud-holed in the SEC, if OU went 6-7 last season in the prolific BigXII
What isn't being said by Venables and others is that their fears and frustration about Coach Prime isn't the same as with Lincoln Riley and others who have been aggressive and successful with the portal. This is about Coach Prime relating on a black culture and community level that they have no way of doing and cannot negatively recruit against if CU wins. To them, it's like how they feared a Stanford offer to any recruiting target who had a strong academic focus. But the impact of that was minuscule compared to the same dynamic occurring with all of their African American recruiting targets.
I'm glad so many other coaches are bitter at Sanders, but characterizing the statement "I'm not like Deion" as an 'attack' is a bit of a stretch
Those words are intended as an attack.
Twitter has always been a host for the fomentation of Internet Drama Horse****. It can't die quickly enough.
He went out of his way (neither Prime or CU were brought up by anyone) to negatively associate what Prime has done at CU, so he could justify his own shortcomings. I don't know what you believe "attack" to mean, but in this context, I think that word is perfectly acceptable.
oh. well in that case, nevermind
it seemed like a simple factual statement to me: Sanders was quicker to push out players he was.
It doesn't register for you that it was a strategic statement: both to excuse his bad year 1 record and to throw shade on CP who has been active with OU portal entries?
yes, it does. my comment was scoped to whether 'attack' is a correct characterization of the statement. I believe a factual comment can be strategic without being an 'attack'
Part of the strategy was a negative recruiting attack on a threat, though. No way any coach uses that platform to specifically call out a coach from another conference without it being an attack. It's a violation of coaching fraternity rules to do that.
How do you characterize a negative comment about another individual, whether that comment is factual or not?
gotcha. nobody's ever given me a copy of the frat rules so i didn't know that
They are unwritten but fairly obvious.gotcha. nobody's ever given me a copy of the frat rules so i didn't know that
for starters, i don't perceive that comment alone to be a negative comment about Sanders.
to Nik's point, i do perceive it as a comment intended to gain some recruiting leverage, but not an 'attack' on an individual as the tweet described it to be.
e.g. when someone on Allbuffs posts a message akin to, "hokiehead is a pedantic moron who overshares details of his personal life", i don't take it as an attack. it's certainly a signal that poster doesn't appreciate my contributions, but I don't feel it's something attempting to harm me in any way. (edit: I guess there's an argument that posts like that are an 'attack' on my Allbuffs social status, but that's a reach IMO)
to answer your question directly, there are probably definitions of the noun 'attack' for which that comment could fit, but I think it's more correctly described as a 'disrespectful comment'
Looks pretty fun.
Not at all. Just making a factual statement without an intended impact.
Agreed. High level FB coaches are very much an example of narcissism, and the fact that Coach Prime comes in and makes their jobs look easy to the outside world is viewed as a direct threat to their inflated view of themselves and their importance to the success of their respective programs. As with any narcissist, their response is often to attack the perceived threat to their image. The fact that Coach Prime is a black man exasperates this, and the truly beautiful thing about how brilliant Coach Prime is in navigating this, is that he records EVERYTHING and lets the world see how he goes about managing this program, which then has the dual effect of marketing CU and himself to all recruits, and maintaining receipts so that similar attacks can be directly refuted when it comes to negative recruiting efforts.
When CU starts seeing success, I expect these attacks to amplify significantly, and I also expect CP to be fully prepared. None of this happened by accident, Deion Sanders has been dealing with this his entire life.
I saw a very poorly coached team last year. He'll get 2023 then one year in the SEC where they'll get mudholed and he'll be gone by the end of the 2024 season.
I'm not sure where this came from. If this is a legit quote, it's safe to say coach prime took it as an attack.
WWCD
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LOL, Deion destroyed him
II'm still not finding a source. Good chance these are made up quotes. I want this to be real.
I would love for that to be real, but I don't think it is
Venables and those like him are used to taking on others who are like them. Coach Prime is a whole new challenge and one they haven't got their minds around.
Venables start at Oklahoma has been much less than the Sooners fans expect and it isn't going to get easier when they go to the SEC. (Side note, I think in a couple of years a lot of Sooner and Longhorn fans are going to be looking back and thinking they would have been much better off going to the PAC.)
He is already busy setting up his excuses for not maintaining the level of success they had under Riley.
"We didn't dump a whole roster, we were loyal to our kids." "We don't use fancy cars and designer bags as recruiting props." etc. etc.
Implicit in the statement "I gave guys a year before kicking them to the curb, unlike Deion" is that Venables is claiming that he treated the players fairly and Prime did not.
Venables said he allowed a 12 month grace period and goes on to have the worst season since '99. I understand they lost Williams but I'd guess their 4th string qb was probably better than our first string while having blue chip players littered throughout the roster.
He goes on to say that they've replaced 63 players. Can he really be this stupid?
Perhaps he's mad/jealous that he couldn't do what CP did. Or could it be that he's realizing that he's not a very good head coach?
He goes on to say that they've replaced 63 players. Can he really be this stupid?
Perhaps he's mad/jealous that he couldn't do what CP did. Or could it be that he's realizing that he's not a very good head coach?